baseball, thanks for the whole recap, but this incident cut especially deep. It made me think that hope of a better contract was with finality extinguished. Dark days to be sure.

 

This is comical. The slogan was actually "Fed Up, Pay Me". Yet now, it's been morphed into "Foxtrot You, Pay Me" by someone who tends to see things from Willis point of view and who carries their water here.

Way to go, Potty-Mouth.


I'll continue to use my Union-Pilot centric viewpoint just as many will continue to do the heavy lifting for others with a company-centric view.

 

Baseball hit it out of the park. I too was EWR based during most of that crap and to say that it wasn't the most frustrating and demoralizing period of my career would be a lie. BMEP has proven his worth as a management sycophant and will rise to their occasion when called upon to do so.

Some people never learn.

 

Best post in the thread. Also the one most likely to fly over without touching down in the heads of many.

 

I’m pretty sure the wrist bands actually said “Fed Up Pay Me” on the other side.

 

They did. Mine was one-sided and that's all it said.

 

I think it's the properly timed application of leverage. But, I basically agree with you. Timing and preparation have to meet in order to capitalize on the opportunity, and if the strong and well timed application of leverage can be used you have a good chance.

The hardest part when dealing with people is "feelings". Too many emotions to gain momentum, and maintain the unity needed to get and apply the leverage at the right time. Get too P'd off to soon, you blow your wad before conditions are ripe. Peak too late and you miss the wave.

For the most part I think I have learned from history. You gotta take the same approach management does.

Managers pretend to be emotional for mass appeal, but deep down they don't care. They got their pay checks and their options.

It's just business.

I worry about the negotiating cycle and the economic cycle. I think we have supply and demand on our side as long as we don't change any more FARs for airman certification and medical standards. Hopefully ALPA National is engaged on the big picture stuff so we can fight and win. If the rug gets pulled from under us I think there will be some bracelets of various types about the school yard.

 

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For those people that were here during contract 2000. What would those rates be adjusted for inflation? Also, how much in retirement could one expect before it was taken from the pilots under the guise of keeping the business afloat?

 

Under Contract 2000(had it survived), the Cap rate for our aircraft in 2004 was set to be:

75/76 = $264
777 = $316
747 = $355

Adjusted for inflation (2004 to 2019 CPI) that would be:

75/76 = $356
777 = $427
747 = $479

All that and a pension too!!