Travel benefits for life after retirement
07-08-2019, 09:27 AM
#53
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Originally Posted by oldmako
When I was hired, surely the company placed some (likely grossly inflated) value on what average pass travel was worth and they probably used that number to whittle away at our overall compensation. I submit that we ought to try and reclaim that compensation in some other form as we move on.
Pass travel is not what it used to be and will surely only get worse. Load factors are off the charts. Last minute Internet ticket deals are becoming more sophisticated. What Crandall brought to Hallmark and AMR has exploded.
Given that todays new hires will likely earn 2-3X what guys my age/hire date earned and, given that the “free travel” canard has augured in and is now just just a smoldering depression, I suggest that we consider Sierra canning pass travel. Just Increase our compensation and then fly FC on vaca. Use the JS to get to work. Wasting heartbeats because you failed to get on at age 35 is one thing. Wasting them at 55 (and while raking it in) is another. Especially while on Vaca.
But I know pilots. We tipped the van driver a buck in 86. Most still tip a buck today.
Pass travel is not what it used to be and will surely only get worse. Load factors are off the charts. Last minute Internet ticket deals are becoming more sophisticated. What Crandall brought to Hallmark and AMR has exploded.
Given that todays new hires will likely earn 2-3X what guys my age/hire date earned and, given that the “free travel” canard has augured in and is now just just a smoldering depression, I suggest that we consider Sierra canning pass travel. Just Increase our compensation and then fly FC on vaca. Use the JS to get to work. Wasting heartbeats because you failed to get on at age 35 is one thing. Wasting them at 55 (and while raking it in) is another. Especially while on Vaca.
But I know pilots. We tipped the van driver a buck in 86. Most still tip a buck today.
07-08-2019, 09:50 AM
#54
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Joined APC: Feb 2019
Posts: 133
I haven't non-reved for awhile... I always use the UA discount.. I just went to FL and back with my wife and son, $775 for 3 of us RT. I didnt have to check the standby list every 3 mins. I checked the UAL app at the normal airfare and it would have been $2500+ at the normal rate for us. I was all smiles!
07-08-2019, 10:59 AM
#55
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Posts: 320
Originally Posted by oldmako
When I was hired, surely the company placed some (likely grossly inflated) value on what average pass travel was worth and they probably used that number to whittle away at our overall compensation. I submit that we ought to try and reclaim that compensation in some other form as we move on.
Pass travel is not what it used to be and will surely only get worse. Load factors are off the charts. Last minute Internet ticket deals are becoming more sophisticated. What Crandall brought to Hallmark and AMR has exploded.
Given that todays new hires will likely earn 2-3X what guys my age/hire date earned and, given that the “free travel” canard has augured in and is now just just a smoldering depression, I suggest that we consider Sierra canning pass travel. Just Increase our compensation and then fly FC on vaca. Use the JS to get to work. Wasting heartbeats because you failed to get on at age 35 is one thing. Wasting them at 55 (and while raking it in) is another. Especially while on Vaca.
But I know pilots. We tipped the van driver a buck in 86. Most still tip a buck today.
Pass travel is not what it used to be and will surely only get worse. Load factors are off the charts. Last minute Internet ticket deals are becoming more sophisticated. What Crandall brought to Hallmark and AMR has exploded.
Given that todays new hires will likely earn 2-3X what guys my age/hire date earned and, given that the “free travel” canard has augured in and is now just just a smoldering depression, I suggest that we consider Sierra canning pass travel. Just Increase our compensation and then fly FC on vaca. Use the JS to get to work. Wasting heartbeats because you failed to get on at age 35 is one thing. Wasting them at 55 (and while raking it in) is another. Especially while on Vaca.
But I know pilots. We tipped the van driver a buck in 86. Most still tip a buck today.
07-08-2019, 11:02 AM
#56
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Originally Posted by Zenofzin
... lets not give up what we already negotiated lol.
Personally, I'd negotiate it away for something more valuable. Like a much better discount on purchased, positive-space tickets.
07-08-2019, 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by HuggyU2
"Give up"? No.
Personally, I'd negotiate it away for something more valuable. Like a much better discount on purchased, positive-space tickets.
Personally, I'd negotiate it away for something more valuable. Like a much better discount on purchased, positive-space tickets.
07-08-2019, 05:00 PM
#58
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Originally Posted by Zenofzin
So your trying to get to work, your a 2000 hire, a 99 hire gets the jumpseat, the agent clears a bunch of 2015-2019 stbys, your left at the gate. Think about it.
Couldn’t resist
07-09-2019, 07:31 AM
#59
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Joined APC: May 2009
Position: The GF of FUPM
Posts: 3,073
Originally Posted by Zenofzin
There’s no “giving up pass travel for a couple bucks of pay” and some of us stil frequently non-rev. The system now allows us to non-rev, buy a UA Discount Fare, Jumpseat or Buy a zed on someone else, lets not give up what we already negotiated lol.
Let me type a bit slower. Ten bucks says the company assigns a significant value to pass travel and uses that during negotiations as one of their levers to keep our remaining compensation in check. Ten bucks also says that it's a lot more than just "a couple of bucks of pay" Those are your words. Not mine.
And another ten bucks says that as we move forward, non-rev travel will become even more onerous than it has over the last decade. That will make it an almost non-benefit, benefit. And we will pay for it.
07-09-2019, 09:16 AM
#60
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Originally Posted by Zenofzin
There’s no “giving up pass travel for a couple bucks of pay” and some of us stil frequently non-rev. The system now allows us to non-rev, buy a UA Discount Fare, Jumpseat or Buy a zed on someone else, lets not give up what we already negotiated lol.
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