Delays and reporting
09-10-2019, 10:02 AM
#11
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Originally Posted by frascaflyer
Be careful talking to scheduling before FDP start. That’s a good recipe for a soft start.
As a PDR guy, I would caution against voluntary 2 way contact before report time as you open yourself to many possibilities that are potentially way worse than spending some additional time at the airport.
From a FAR117 legality perspective, That day’s report time is the basis for all calculations like FDP limit, etc.
You make contact, you are now on the hook if they decide to get creative yet inside the limits of the UPA and FAR. A Soft Start is only 1 of the many possibilities.
My 2 cents
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09-10-2019, 12:57 PM
#12
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Originally Posted by Glenntilton
I thought once they post a delay passengers can see, they will not leave earlier. As a lot of PAX will then miss the flight.
09-10-2019, 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by fanaticalflyer
I know for a fact this is not true. I've had several flights that they actually did move the departure time much earlier than the delayed time. And people missed the flight. The last one occurred about 4 months ago out of SEA. I was shocked they would leave the pax since the gate agent said delay was at least three hours and they would call over the terminal PA and to listen up. Plane swap, and we left in 45 mins, and zone control said I had to go over my protests. With the memo that came out a few months ago that said flight operations controls if a plane gets to hold or not, that overrode me insisting on waiting on the pax that we were royally screwing over.
09-10-2019, 01:51 PM
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Why do so many pilots have this urge to answer the phone when scheduling calls? Never, never answer your phone when they call. Especially just prior to show time...this goes for your cell phone, hotel phone, bag phone, etc.
09-10-2019, 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Floyd
Zone said you "had to go"? Really now, who's in charge of the plane and the brake it's attached to?
09-10-2019, 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Knotcher
If there is a safety issue PIC has final say...but when they want it to go it goes....we get paid to fly.
Use your brain.
09-10-2019, 05:21 PM
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Four minutes before departure and you notice a family of five run to the gate. The cabin door has closed and the jetway is starting to move away from your jet. You have plenty of seats open. You're flight planned 8 min early flying slow. Zone/ops says they aren't bringing the jetway back and you should push on time.
What do you do?
What do you do?
09-10-2019, 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Floyd
Zone said you "had to go"? Really now, who's in charge of the plane and the brake it's attached to?
09-10-2019, 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by fanaticalflyer
I think you missed the memo that went into detail from ALPA and company about the Captains trying to make the call on keeping the door open for pax. It's not in your control and stated in the memo. Though a pilot is trying to do the right thing, we do not have all the available information for connections downrange and where that plane is needed, etc... It's not about zone overruling the CAP, it's when NOC tells zone, it must go. You cannot say no. Or you can, but you'll be getting a call from FODM that tells you, you must go. You don't have a leg to stand on, since what info do you have to support your "eye in the sky" decision? Right, not enough! So let's stop with the Captain Authority issue. Doesn't apply here when a decision from the top comes.
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