Guppydriver95

Damn y’all are thick. The company doesn’t give me authority. The licence given to me by the FAA does, and honestly, the company hates it when it contradicts their wishes. It’s not a “God” thing, just reality.

fanaticalflyer

Well here's the typical problem where guys do not know the contract! ALPA has put out DYK multiple times on Soft Resets. All of you did not read it apparently. If you had let Crew Sked leave a message, you would have known about later pickup time. If someone didn't get a phone call, the Pilot Mobile shows the later pickup time without having to acknowledge the trip. You just go to airport at new time and acknowledge the trip one minute after original show time.
Here's the DYK for your perusal.

Floyd

ALPA?......

Guppydriver95

Don’t stop him, he’s on a roll. That’s why I don’t really think he’s a pilot. I bet he’s some NOC/middle management troll just trying to start an argument.

fanaticalflyer

It's amazing how many pilots don't read MEC/LEC reports or memos, ALPA DYK's, Fleet Newsletters, under the Safety section of Content locker (FSAP news, FOQA notes, Safetyliner), Pilot Bulletins, etc.... Same guys that post the same silly questions or post scenarios that have been addressed.I get it when people might be confused with our UPA legalese, and post for clarification. Problem is guys like you want everyone else to produce the document because they were too lazy to read it themselves the first time and even lazier, asking everyone else to get it for them. ON top of that, you'll argue until your face turns blue, on procedures or actions, that are wrong because you were misinformed or lazy.

Floyd

Thanks. I'll take that as a NO.

Guppydriver95

Of course alpa didn’t sign any letter to the effect this knucklehead implies. I guarantee that my contractual/FOM knowledge (and yours too, Floyd) dwarfs this guys. Not sure what his agenda is, but what he’s trying to infer(that some SOC scmuck has final say as to the brake release/pushback) is completely off the mark. Sometimes reading this forum is fun. But honestly, since anybody can post here, you never know when you’re dealing with a management boot lick, scab, or just some company employee who simply doesn’t know any better. Dollars to donuts fanaticalflyer is one of the three.

gollum

In this example from the above linked document:

Can someone explain to me why the RAP starts at 0700 from the soft start vs 0300 when the company contacted and was acknowledged by the pilot? Doesn't the company calling you interrupt the rest period?

GoCats67

The company can always attempt to contact you during a rest period and you can "voluntarily" answer without that rest period being interrupted.

At 0300 you are still on rest. The company can attempt to contact you during your rest and, if they are successful, they can notify you of the change in your upcoming duty and it doesn't interrupt your current rest period!

YOU ARE UNDER NO OBLIGATION TO ANSWER YOUR PHONE WHEN YOU ARE ON REST!!!!!

Because you are under no obligation to the company at this time, the FAA views this as an allowable situation. I may not agree with the logic of all that is allowed to happen afterward, but basically the FAA looks at it as the same situation as being put on a Short Call, where you are now not going to have to report to the airport at the beginning of your "duty period" but you are still anticipating an actual Flight Duty period, so you get the same rest treatment as a Short Call reserve that had an availability period that started at your original report time.

This example is what we are calling a "soft reset."

Keep in mind that if the delay is substantial and they contact you with greater than 10 hours notice before your updated report time, you can be "hard reset." This means that you are given a new rest period that now ends at your new updated report time and all your duty calculation will be based on that. This situation is more common in the international theater, when the inbound airplane is substantially delayed out of the US.

In either case, you can avoid any issues because:

YOU ARE UNDER NO OBLIGATION TO ANSWER YOUR PHONE WHEN YOU ARE ON REST!!!!!

If you delay in returning the phone call from the crew desk until after you have started your duty period (0701 or later) , then the original limits of that duty period apply. So, they can work within those limits or put you back on rest for 10 hours and try again.

sleeves

Aren’t you retired?