Kirby’s take on Denver
11-12-2019 | 06:04 AM
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Both good. Can’t really tell the difference since the PW birds are configured to support the PS flights and thus have less seats.
The brakes are better on the RR birds, but the TRs are better on the PW birds.
Most PW birds have cockpit carpet, and some have only one jumpiest.
Love flying both and hope they stay around forever.
The brakes are better on the RR birds, but the TRs are better on the PW birds.
Most PW birds have cockpit carpet, and some have only one jumpiest.
Love flying both and hope they stay around forever.
11-12-2019 | 07:01 AM
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Both good. Can’t really tell the difference since the PW birds are configured to support the PS flights and thus have less seats.
The brakes are better on the RR birds, but the TRs are better on the PW birds.
Most PW birds have cockpit carpet, and some have only one jumpiest.
Love flying both and hope they stay around forever.
The brakes are better on the RR birds, but the TRs are better on the PW birds.
Most PW birds have cockpit carpet, and some have only one jumpiest.
Love flying both and hope they stay around forever.
11-12-2019 | 08:39 AM
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757 fleet.
1. The winglet program was already under way when Smizek happened and he cancelled the installations. Thus we had a mix of winglet and non-winglet planes for quite a while. Never mind that the fuel savings paid for themselves in a year. Same thing happened with the UAL 767-300's. I think finally we got all the 767 winglets installed last year.
2. There were some significant upgrades to the 757 computers and equipment at about the same time. Again Smizek refused to do the updates because this was money he wouldn't get. So, when Smizek left, we had a bunch of P&W planes that were going to be expensive to bring up to date. The decision was to buy the Max instead of upgrading the 757's.
How'd that work out? FedEx said thank you very much and snapped up half our P&W 757 fleet.
11-12-2019 | 09:33 AM
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FDX Guy here. Interesting regarding the UAL 75s. I always wondered exactly what drove the decision to park them. The age on the ex-UALs was a mix, but there are a fair amount of mid-life 757, even late builds. We upgraded the avionics and FMS and removed any ETOPS equipment.
Flown both the Pratts and Rolls, unfortunately don’t fly the 75 anymore as they are a separate bid. Our Pratts were all reduced to 37,000 lbs of thrust, the Rollers had 40. Our airplanes are standardized to a max takeoff of 230. With the exception of some Northern South America, Central America, Mexico and Canada, our airplanes are domestic. They do fly them within in the Asia and Europe systems. They are domestic airplanes, 727 replacement, used for capacity not payload.
As mention the Rollers are more temp sensitive, the Pratts (that’s why the call them Push and Waits) are cooler. The Rolls to me has a noticeable spool up time. The Pratts are instantaneous power, but the Rollers do have better climb performance. Pratts were a tad more fuel efficient. To me the Reversers on a Rolls took a while, the Pratts had incredible stopping capability. The Pratts are quieter in the cockpit. The Rollers do have a cool whine, but the Pratts were quiet, but still do have the Pratt “Growl”.
Mechanics have told me the Rolls are easier to work on, as a lot of the plumbing is in the pylon. The Pratts, a lot of the plumbing is wrapped around the engine. I’ve also been told that if you are going to have a FOD event, you want it to be in a Pratt. Much more durable engine. I’ve heard we are having some small issues with the Rollers, Pratts are are trending to be a bit more reliable. (We had issues with the Pratts when we first got them). That being said, company does love the Light Twin. The love the New Twins 767/777 more now, but they’ve been happy with the 75. 75s have been A310/727 replacements.
I agree it is an great flying airplane and encourage anyone thinking of flying the 75/76 to bid it. Both are great. I miss the 75. Regardless of Engine type, the 757 is a beautiful airplane, personally I like the Pratts.
Lastly, I had heard many times the ex-CAL 757s are really nice and capable airplanes. I guess goes along with how they used them on the Atlantic Routes.
Flown both the Pratts and Rolls, unfortunately don’t fly the 75 anymore as they are a separate bid. Our Pratts were all reduced to 37,000 lbs of thrust, the Rollers had 40. Our airplanes are standardized to a max takeoff of 230. With the exception of some Northern South America, Central America, Mexico and Canada, our airplanes are domestic. They do fly them within in the Asia and Europe systems. They are domestic airplanes, 727 replacement, used for capacity not payload.
As mention the Rollers are more temp sensitive, the Pratts (that’s why the call them Push and Waits) are cooler. The Rolls to me has a noticeable spool up time. The Pratts are instantaneous power, but the Rollers do have better climb performance. Pratts were a tad more fuel efficient. To me the Reversers on a Rolls took a while, the Pratts had incredible stopping capability. The Pratts are quieter in the cockpit. The Rollers do have a cool whine, but the Pratts were quiet, but still do have the Pratt “Growl”.
Mechanics have told me the Rolls are easier to work on, as a lot of the plumbing is in the pylon. The Pratts, a lot of the plumbing is wrapped around the engine. I’ve also been told that if you are going to have a FOD event, you want it to be in a Pratt. Much more durable engine. I’ve heard we are having some small issues with the Rollers, Pratts are are trending to be a bit more reliable. (We had issues with the Pratts when we first got them). That being said, company does love the Light Twin. The love the New Twins 767/777 more now, but they’ve been happy with the 75. 75s have been A310/727 replacements.
I agree it is an great flying airplane and encourage anyone thinking of flying the 75/76 to bid it. Both are great. I miss the 75. Regardless of Engine type, the 757 is a beautiful airplane, personally I like the Pratts.
Lastly, I had heard many times the ex-CAL 757s are really nice and capable airplanes. I guess goes along with how they used them on the Atlantic Routes.
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11-12-2019 | 09:48 AM
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It's really due to other factors. Apples and oranges. How much money do you want to spend on options? The biggest factor was Smizek didn't want to spend money on anything but himself. This caused 2 problems with the
757 fleet.
1. The winglet program was already under way when Smizek happened and he cancelled the installations. Thus we had a mix of winglet and non-winglet planes for quite a while. Never mind that the fuel savings paid for themselves in a year. Same thing happened with the UAL 767-300's. I think finally we got all the 767 winglets installed last year.
2. There were some significant upgrades to the 757 computers and equipment at about the same time. Again Smizek refused to do the updates because this was money he wouldn't get. So, when Smizek left, we had a bunch of P&W planes that were going to be expensive to bring up to date. The decision was to buy the Max instead of upgrading the 757's.
How'd that work out? FedEx said thank you very much and snapped up half our P&W 757 fleet.
757 fleet.
1. The winglet program was already under way when Smizek happened and he cancelled the installations. Thus we had a mix of winglet and non-winglet planes for quite a while. Never mind that the fuel savings paid for themselves in a year. Same thing happened with the UAL 767-300's. I think finally we got all the 767 winglets installed last year.
2. There were some significant upgrades to the 757 computers and equipment at about the same time. Again Smizek refused to do the updates because this was money he wouldn't get. So, when Smizek left, we had a bunch of P&W planes that were going to be expensive to bring up to date. The decision was to buy the Max instead of upgrading the 757's.
How'd that work out? FedEx said thank you very much and snapped up half our P&W 757 fleet.
And I know it's easy to blame Smisek (deserves a lot) but it was Glenn that did leave a mess for him to clean up after in the first place with these planes.
11-12-2019 | 09:50 AM
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It's really due to other factors. Apples and oranges. How much money do you want to spend on options? The biggest factor was Smizek didn't want to spend money on anything but himself. This caused 2 problems with the
757 fleet.
1. The winglet program was already under way when Smizek happened and he cancelled the installations. Thus we had a mix of winglet and non-winglet planes for quite a while. Never mind that the fuel savings paid for themselves in a year. Same thing happened with the UAL 767-300's. I think finally we got all the 767 winglets installed last year.
2. There were some significant upgrades to the 757 computers and equipment at about the same time. Again Smizek refused to do the updates because this was money he wouldn't get. So, when Smizek left, we had a bunch of P&W planes that were going to be expensive to bring up to date. The decision was to buy the Max instead of upgrading the 757's.
How'd that work out? FedEx said thank you very much and snapped up half our P&W 757 fleet.
757 fleet.
1. The winglet program was already under way when Smizek happened and he cancelled the installations. Thus we had a mix of winglet and non-winglet planes for quite a while. Never mind that the fuel savings paid for themselves in a year. Same thing happened with the UAL 767-300's. I think finally we got all the 767 winglets installed last year.
2. There were some significant upgrades to the 757 computers and equipment at about the same time. Again Smizek refused to do the updates because this was money he wouldn't get. So, when Smizek left, we had a bunch of P&W planes that were going to be expensive to bring up to date. The decision was to buy the Max instead of upgrading the 757's.
How'd that work out? FedEx said thank you very much and snapped up half our P&W 757 fleet.
FDX and the other cargo operators are exempt from the FAA rule.
11-12-2019 | 11:46 AM
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Again, apples and oranges. Cargo carriers have always used second hand aircraft from airlines. Different cost structure and easier to make money with older airplanes. Fedex gets an aircraft to fit their niche and we get to unload an aging frame and replace it with a newer product....a win-win for both.
And I know it's easy to blame Smisek (deserves a lot) but it was Glenn that did leave a mess for him to clean up after in the first place with these planes.
And I know it's easy to blame Smisek (deserves a lot) but it was Glenn that did leave a mess for him to clean up after in the first place with these planes.
Is kirby still trying to figure out how to get RJ pilots to fly the A350, or is he going old school and trying to figure out how to get Aer Lingus back and wet lease our airplanes so they can fly the routes?
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