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Floyd 10-20-2019 09:57 AM


Originally Posted by Hatesheavys (Post 2909318)
If the union would consider changes to scope we’d have a contract tomorrow. You don’t want that so it’s going to take some time. It hasn’t been a year yet, if you’ve been at any airlines you’d realize this is pretty common time frame so chill bro... I’d bet you beers we’ll be voting on something early next year.


Thanks. I am a neophyte to the airline industry and take solace in the knowledge of voting on something just around the corner.

One question of you'd indulge me. Should I expect full retro?

Hatesheavys 10-20-2019 11:14 AM


Originally Posted by Floyd (Post 2909325)
Thanks. I am a neophyte to the airline industry and take solace in the knowledge of voting on something just around the corner.

One question of you'd indulge me. Should I expect full retro?

My guess is you should expect to be disappointed no matter what happens, that seems to be your style :).

Floyd 10-20-2019 12:22 PM


Originally Posted by Hatesheavys (Post 2909372)
My guess is you should expect to be disappointed no matter what happens, that seems to be your style :).

Thanks. I guess an extension with signing bonus of 20 cents on the dollar then. ;)

Disappointed or accepting the moment but never stop wanting more? I hear that golden goose got an upgrade and went platinum. It would be a shame though to ask for too much and send the company into bankruptcy.

Enjoy your weekend.

DashTrash 10-20-2019 12:57 PM


Originally Posted by Floyd (Post 2909215)
So still carrying the Bankruptcy/JCBA/Extension water for a 17% increase over 4 years? Will someone please remind me how much money the company is printing? How much of that is being sent out the door with a stock repurchase program? Gotta love silly season rumors.

Patience running thin.

The Company has you right where they want you. Be patient!!! These things take years to negotiate normally.

Floyd 10-20-2019 01:26 PM


Originally Posted by DashTrash (Post 2909417)
The Company has you right where they want you. Be patient!!! These things take years to negotiate normally.

I'm confused. You've come to accept the fact that contracts should take years to negotiate yet you say the company has ME right where they want ME?

Contracts don't take years to negotiate. Contract negotiations are drug out for years as a cost benefit. Gotta love the RLA.

757Driver 10-20-2019 02:51 PM


Originally Posted by DashTrash (Post 2909417)
The Company has you right where they want you. Be patient!!! These things take years to negotiate normally.

You know what would be nice? Some sort of actual update with details on how really far apart we are on each area where there's been no progress. This top-secret BS needs to be shown the door pronto-like. As a member at the TOP of the ALPA pyramid, I want detailed facts and not just some vague generalizations on where managements stands.

With this much of a delay on a new CBA, the natives need to be made aware of what management is saying and why they're stonewalling us. Perhaps that might get enough fellers panties in a wad to voice their displeasure in more ways than just vocally.

As a PS, every day that we let pass on our amendable date equals lost improvements that would have been effective as of January 1st, 2019. Win for the company, big loss for our Pilot group.

pilotgolfer 10-20-2019 03:51 PM


Originally Posted by 757Driver (Post 2909465)
You know what would be nice? Some sort of actual update with details on how really far apart we are on each area where there's been no progress. This top-secret BS needs to be shown the door pronto-like. As a member at the TOP of the ALPA pyramid, I want detailed facts and not just some vague generalizations on where managements stands.

With this much of a delay on a new CBA, the natives need to be made aware of what management is saying and why they're stonewalling us. Perhaps that might get enough fellers panties in a wad to voice their displeasure in more ways than just vocally.

As a PS, every day that we let pass on our amendable date equals lost improvements that would have been effective as of January 1st, 2019. Win for the company, big loss for our Pilot group.

Do you own a phone, pinhead of the pyramid?

All In 10-20-2019 03:55 PM


Originally Posted by pilotgolfer (Post 2909489)
Do you own a phone, pinhead of the pyramid?

😂 filler filler

Floyd 10-20-2019 03:56 PM


Originally Posted by 757Driver (Post 2909465)
You know what would be nice? Some sort of actual update with details on how really far apart we are on each area where there's been no progress. This top-secret BS needs to be shown the door pronto-like. As a member at the TOP of the ALPA pyramid, I want detailed facts and not just some vague generalizations on where managements stands.

With this much of a delay on a new CBA, the natives need to be made aware of what management is saying and why they're stonewalling us. Perhaps that might get enough fellers panties in a wad to voice their displeasure in more ways than just vocally.

As a PS, every day that we let pass on our amendable date equals lost improvements that would have been effective as of January 1st, 2019. Win for the company, big loss for our Pilot group.

I might suggest if enough guys get their panties in a visible wad, there's a judge out there willing to steam out the wrinkles. They are watching everything we do and will build leverage at any opportunity.

757Driver 10-20-2019 04:31 PM


Originally Posted by pilotgolfer (Post 2909489)
Do you own a phone, pinhead of the pyramid?


Originally Posted by Floyd (Post 2909496)
I might suggest if enough guys get their panties in a visible wad, there's a judge out there willing to steam out the wrinkles. They are watching everything we do and will build leverage at any opportunity.

Sorry guys but I'm not happy with this at all. I do own a phone and my Rep seems to know less about the situation than I do and also isn't pleased with the mushroom treatment. If you're both content to sit around be treated like mushrooms, (see in the dark and crapped on), be my guest. I choose not to and will continue to be vocal about our Negotiating Committee's communication shortfalls.


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