Mountains of cash
08-02-2011, 12:25 PM
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Mountains of cash
If this contract doesn't break the mold on the upside, then we may as well pack it in, wear the nondescript "light jacket" when in uniform so no one knows who we work for, and remove the mirrors from the house.
Airlines' fee revenue up to $21.46 billion in 2010 - Sacramento Living - Sacramento Food and Wine, Home, Health | Sacramento Bee
LOS ANGELES -- Fees to check luggage, change reservations and upgrade to a seat with more legroom, among other charges, have generated $21.46 billion for the world's 47 largest airlines, according to a new study.
The report by a Wisconsin-based airline consultant found that the revenue collected in 2010 from such ancillary fees represents a 775 percent increase in revenue since 2007, when only 23 airlines reported collecting $2.45 billion.
The study by the consulting firm IdeaWorks shows that airlines have been enjoying strong growth in such revenue since the industry began adding extra fees in 2008 in response to the global economic recession.
The parent company that operates United and Continental airlines reported collecting $5 billion in ancillary fees from the soon-to-be merged carriers, the most of any airline company, according to the report.
Airlines' fee revenue up to $21.46 billion in 2010 - Sacramento Living - Sacramento Food and Wine, Home, Health | Sacramento Bee
LOS ANGELES -- Fees to check luggage, change reservations and upgrade to a seat with more legroom, among other charges, have generated $21.46 billion for the world's 47 largest airlines, according to a new study.
The report by a Wisconsin-based airline consultant found that the revenue collected in 2010 from such ancillary fees represents a 775 percent increase in revenue since 2007, when only 23 airlines reported collecting $2.45 billion.
The study by the consulting firm IdeaWorks shows that airlines have been enjoying strong growth in such revenue since the industry began adding extra fees in 2008 in response to the global economic recession.
The parent company that operates United and Continental airlines reported collecting $5 billion in ancillary fees from the soon-to-be merged carriers, the most of any airline company, according to the report.
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08-14-2011, 03:31 PM
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This information does not mean much unless we know how much costs have increased over the past 4 years, and how much fares have increased (probably decreased) over the past 4 years. Only then will we know what has happened to the bottom line over the past 4 years.
08-14-2011, 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by iahflyr
This information does not mean much unless we know how much costs have increased over the past 4 years, and how much fares have increased (probably decreased) over the past 4 years. Only then will we know what has happened to the bottom line over the past 4 years.
Just WOW!!!
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08-14-2011, 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by iahflyr
This information does not mean much unless we know how much costs have increased over the past 4 years, and how much fares have increased (probably decreased) over the past 4 years. Only then will we know what has happened to the bottom line over the past 4 years.
08-14-2011, 04:34 PM
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I don't care what anything costs for the airline. I (the pilot) cost "X" amount and I need to be paid that amount NO MATTER what anything else costs. Fuel? Who cares! Baggage? Who cares! Taxes? Who cares! A decent pilot salary cost a certain amount and that is what I want. I will settle for nothing less. If the airline cannot survive with normal labor costs, then let it go out of business. I will no longer pay for the fuel!
08-14-2011, 08:02 PM
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Iahflyr has recently been more interested in management costs and how it affects their profitability.
http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/ca...ml#post1031583
Really?
Is this guy for real?
This dude is certainly anti-union.
http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/ca...ml#post1031583
I did not say that overall Delta has an industry leading contract. I was referring to Delta's pay rates (which are industry leading). This is what we were offered and I believe this is a good offer.
Having worked at both non-union and union airlines, I would say my personal experience has been far better at the non-union airline. I never had peer pressure when I felt like picking up extra flying. No one ever gave me a hard time for picking up a certain trip. I didn't have to give away 2% of my pay every year. We always were paid among the best in our section of the industry.
I felt like working at a non-union airline, that we as pilots were working to help the company, and the company was working to make QOL good for the pilots. At my current union airline, it seems like it is pilots vs. management, and pilots vs. other pilots. That is not the way things should be.
I felt like working at a non-union airline, that we as pilots were working to help the company, and the company was working to make QOL good for the pilots. At my current union airline, it seems like it is pilots vs. management, and pilots vs. other pilots. That is not the way things should be.
That was really well said. It is not Southwest management that makes Southwest successful. It is the way that Southwest management and SWAPA work together. Southwest pilots have never gotten a massive raise. When they were paid below market, they didn't complain and start a work slow down. They came to work, they did their job, and they got a respectable raise. Look where that got them.
The last part of your post was so good I feel the need to repeat it as I have never seen it worded so well...
Southwest's management could be brought in to run United and I have no doubt that the pilots would effectively tick them off. And then the pilots would again complain about how bad management is. Maybe, just maybe, the entire blame isn't in management's corner. I know that's a horrific thought; a subject never broached among UAL pilots.
The last part of your post was so good I feel the need to repeat it as I have never seen it worded so well...
Southwest's management could be brought in to run United and I have no doubt that the pilots would effectively tick them off. And then the pilots would again complain about how bad management is. Maybe, just maybe, the entire blame isn't in management's corner. I know that's a horrific thought; a subject never broached among UAL pilots.
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08-14-2011, 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by iahflyr
This information does not mean much unless we know how much costs have increased over the past 4 years, and how much fares have increased (probably decreased) over the past 4 years. Only then will we know what has happened to the bottom line over the past 4 years.
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