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Thor 12-16-2019 04:49 AM

The aircraft are flyable and get a ferry permit to fly them outta Renton. I’m not buying parking space as a limiting factor.

They can, and have, been able to fly them anywhere for storage. But, ya shut down the supply chain & problems are just beginning. Restarting the line will prove to be much much more difficult.

TheFly 12-16-2019 05:38 AM

This is the longest grounding in US history. Is there a viable fix?

https://airwaysmag.com/airlines/a-re...et-groundings/

Grumble 12-16-2019 07:30 AM


Originally Posted by TheFly (Post 2939840)
This is the longest grounding in US history. Is there a viable fix?

https://airwaysmag.com/airlines/a-re...et-groundings/

Yeah, a brand new airplane. When you need a kick stand and some computer wizardry because your airplane has been stretched beyond the limits of aerodynamic stability, and not falling on its ass at the gate, you’ve gone too far.

ShyGuy 12-16-2019 07:57 AM

In the 4 day sim test they said all pilots recovered successfully but several crews went for the wrong checklist. Whose fault is that? Now EASA wants checklists and procedures changed. This is getting ridiculous.

baseball 12-16-2019 08:49 AM

I wonder if Airbus will over-take Boeing as a result of the grounding and the delay in recertification?

I didn't think it would take this long to get a "perfectly good airplane" up and flying again. I guess there were more issues to sort out than simply a software update?? If the aircraft was so awesome it would have been up and flying pretty quick.

Boeing's failure to get a true 757 replacement up is really the problem. I guess it was all about catering to the demands of SWA.

As I hear it told, SWA wanted a bigger-badder 737, on par with 757 performance, but it needed to be a 737 for common type rating requirements.

I would have loved to see a 757 replacement from Boeing. I really think Airbus pushes their products and they will be in a good position for the next 20 years.

flightmedic01 12-16-2019 08:49 AM


Originally Posted by Grumble (Post 2939902)
Yeah, a brand new airplane. When you need a kick stand and some computer wizardry because your airplane has been stretched beyond the limits of aerodynamic stability, and not falling on its ass at the gate, you’ve gone too far.

^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^

Peacock 12-16-2019 09:26 AM


Originally Posted by baseball (Post 2939967)
I wonder if Airbus will over-take Boeing as a result of the grounding and the delay in recertification?

I didn't think it would take this long to get a "perfectly good airplane" up and flying again. I guess there were more issues to sort out than simply a software update?? If the aircraft was so awesome it would have been up and flying pretty quick.

Boeing's failure to get a true 757 replacement up is really the problem. I guess it was all about catering to the demands of SWA.

As I hear it told, SWA wanted a bigger-badder 737, on par with 757 performance, but it needed to be a 737 for common type rating requirements.

I would have loved to see a 757 replacement from Boeing. I really think Airbus pushes their products and they will be in a good position for the next 20 years.

Boeing created the MAX for American after they placed an all Airbus narrowbody order.

SWA has about 300 orders out of about 5000 total.

Vernon Demerest 12-16-2019 10:35 AM

We are officially at the beginning of the news cycle in which “stuff gets done”. If regulatory hurdles/signatures need to be overcome/stamped, between now and 2 January will be the time in which this will happen. I could/have been wrong on this but my gut tells me the FAA and Boeing are not as far apart as recent articles would have us think. I don’t see the return to service being moved to the right past April at this point. I’ll humbly eat my hat (after April 15 when it stays at home most of the time anyway...) if I’m wrong.

s3cLyfe 12-16-2019 12:26 PM


Originally Posted by Excargodog (Post 2939781)
If you don’t have room to put completed aircraft anyway your inability to afford the parts to assemble more becomes secondary.

And you don’t have to pay your workers if you lay them off. Better yet, the government will pay them, putting political pressure on the FAA to speed things up...

Truth. It’s all fun and games till congressmen realize their seat (wallet) hangs in the voter balance. If congress wanted to they could direct more funds and resources to get the max back in the air...but they haven’t..yet.

Legacy500 12-16-2019 12:55 PM

And, just like that, Boeing 737 production will halt in Jan...

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/12/16/boei...acebook%7Cmain


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