Originally Posted by horrido27 (Post 2963231)

I have never been a member of a Union where we were taken to court over "Fly The Contract".
I was hired at Trans States Airlines in 2000 and from day one.. when I got my first ALPA Pin.. I said "Fly The Contract".
(I was Sec Tres of our local council in RIC and would do weekly phone messages ending with "Fly The Contract".
Hired at Continental Airlines in Nov 2007 and guess what.. said "Fly The Contract" from day one.

When I joined my last Air Guard unit, I learned "Fly The Contract" from the United, Delta and UPS pilots in our squadron. It was referring to AFI 11C2-5 which was basically our contract!

So for someone/anyone to tell me that because of something that happened at Legacy United back in the 2000's (before I and many of us were there), I am 'not' allowed to say (or write) Fly the Contract.. well, not gonna change.
If I'm a pariah out there and need to eat and drink along on the overnight, no problem.

Getting back to the question-
Has your union ever been sued by your company resulting in a temporary injunction. Hmm... I don't know.
I can find NOTHING on the UAL ALPA Website discussing the past history of United ALPA. I heard it happened but again, only from posts on here and talking to some people who were around back then. (and from being banned from UAL Pilots Forum years ago for writing it! lol)
There must be some 'official' history in the ALPA National archives that discuss it.

Also, interesting that you wrote 'temporary' injunction. So whatever happened is no longer valid?!
Are you an expert that can educate myself, the other LCAL pilots (probably around 3000ish) and the other PMNH's (around 4000ish) on the history. And no one paragraph write-up. Something THAT big MUST require a few pages of reading.. to include the court summary.. Thanks

FS, FP and FtC
Motch

Originally Posted by Poss (Post 2963349)

Section 6. First paragraph.

United Air Lines Inc v. Airline Pilots Association International

Originally Posted by horrido27 (Post 2963391)

Thanks...

Trying to read it now while doing other things but I am going to print it and highlight things.

Already I see vast differences between "Fly The Contract" Then vs. what I mean it to be Now.

Also find it interesting that a District Court came up with these findings. My little bit of legal knowledge tells me different District Courts 'view' things different, and that times change and Judges change.

Hell, we have FAR117 now which we didn't then. We have a Fatigue Committee that meets with the company to determine if the UnfitFD is operational or non operational.



Times are alot different that 2000, and 2007. Interesting that United Management didn't take the Union to court back in 2000.



Anyways.. THANKS for the link!

FS, FP & FtC

Motch

Originally Posted by Bpcrate (Post 2963636)

Find a hobby. Please.


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Originally Posted by too low gear (Post 2963728)

How bad has the Max grounding effected hiring at UA, if at all?

Originally Posted by Vernon Demerest (Post 2963824)

The hiring has not (yet) been affected by the Max. Classes beyond April may be changed/numbers reduced/aircraft slots changed (totally a guess on my part here) IF the return to service isn’t until late Fall. I believe there is a bunch of 737 training (new hire and last two vacancy bid driven) for the next three months.

Originally Posted by Bpcrate (Post 2963636)

Find a hobby. Please.

Originally Posted by Guppydriver95 (Post 2963704)

what a tool comment. His contributions to the thread are worth reading, unlike your sniping from the cheap seats. Find a hobby, indeed.

Originally Posted by too low gear (Post 2963728)

How bad has the Max grounding effected hiring at UA, if at all?