Regularguy

Which one were you, or who you THINK you would have been?

I am not a 570, but know many of them and was there when they DID NOT CROSS THE LINE. Think what you may, but they held the line and helped the cause for their fellow pilots, even those outside UAL.

webecheck

I was still watching cartoons and avoiding all vegetables back then, so neither. My opinion has been formed by reading the history, and the personal interactions with those from both groups. Of the 570, I’m sure some fully intended to scab but got scared or realized it was wrong and changed their minds, and perhaps there were some totally oblivious as to the intent for the invitation to interview. However, it is an undeniable certainty that those who declined the interviews and joined a yr or 2 later can’t be questioned as to their character.

You can’t deny that if nobody ever accepted the interviews or went to training, the outcome would have been the same and the strike broken. That’s a fact.

Winston

If I rented a motel room and made arrangements to meet up with a prostitute, but ultimately never followed through with it, do you think my wife would celebrate me as a shining example of marital fidelity?

FedEx Pilot

Spot on Sir Winston

KonaJoe

I mean.. to give credit where it is due, that level of will power would be pretty impressive.

In all seriousness, the 570s were young, offered their dream job with likely little understanding of union politics, and when they learned about it, they struck while knowing they'd get fired. Even if ALPA said they'd fight to get their jobs back, there was no guarantee.

You can discuss the details, but in the end they did the right thing with no guarantee and a lot of risk. That's cool in my book, and they sure as heck earned their battle star.

If they were widebody captains forever because of it, well, I can't council on jealousy. It is what it is. We currently hire pilots in their early twenties. I don't feel jealous. I just feel like they're lucky.

Regularguy

The fact is none/most of you were not there and despite what you heard, saw or experienced about the 570s you have no idea of what went on. And most importantly you have no business stating they would have crossed the line except they didn't because of their fear.

Just to make all of you aware of what is factual, the UAL MEC actually encouraged these men and women to get hired and go through training, but don't cross the line should we go on strike.

So grow up and start trying to figure out how you will stand up with your fellow pilots when management starts to get less friendly. Maybe you all should start to ask yourself if picking up those premium trips, flying 100+ pay hours, ignoring a possible write ups til it's convenient for you to log and maybe following SOP a bit closer rather than making things happen.

If you do all these maybe, just maybe you too will begin to inch closer to what the 570 chose to do for their profession.

BTW I repeat, I am not a 570 but are one of the few who actually walked the line in 1985 while you were still watching cartoons. Be thankful for those who made sure you would have the opportunity to fly jet airplanes for a nice six figure income. It wasn't because management are nice guys.

Regularguy

This statement by you not only shows ignorance, but is something far outside the context of what happened in 1985.

mmm123

Some were young some were older just like UAL always hires. As far as knowing union politics I know three in one class that were striking Continental pilots who knew plenty about union politics.

Whiskeyjet1

Ok, so what's the point I guess. They were on strike, not crossing, sought gainful employment elsewhere, and didn't cross there either.

mmm123

No just correcting the part of young and not knowing much about union politics. There was a wide variety of people qualifications and background in that group just like most classes at UAL. ALPA did a great job of educating while they were in training as did some of the ex Cal guys and others that went through that period in history. All of course JMO.