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Old 03-01-2020 | 02:21 PM
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It’s a little early to cast judgements on this, as the decision to cancel the class was just two days ago. The VP flight ops is calling them. Let’s see what they set up.
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Old 03-01-2020 | 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by BMEP100
It’s a little early to cast judgements on this, as the decision to cancel the class was just two days ago. The VP flight ops is calling them. Let’s see what they set up.

One cannot cast judgement on a decision that has already been announced? Do you truly believe they can now make a decision that will be the equivalent of not cancelling the class to these new hires without actually un-cancelling the class? What other sort of decision can they make that makes you think it’s too early to cast judgement on what they already did? Honestly, what are the range of possibilities other than un-cancelling?
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Old 03-01-2020 | 03:32 PM
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To put things in perspective:

2002 - West Nile
2004 - SARS
2005 - Bird Flu
2009 - Swine flu
2014 - Ebola
2016 - Zika
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Old 03-01-2020 | 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by SonicFlyer
To put things in perspective:

2002 - West Nile
2004 - SARS
2005 - Bird Flu
2009 - Swine flu
2014 - Ebola
2016 - Zika
It is a normal course of natural biology....But what better reason for MSNBC/CNN/FOX to scare people before an election than the common cold....I mean zombie apocalypse, senior killing, global economy stopping COVID-19 virus?

Your plastic chinese trinkets, cheap auto parts and seasonal clothing supplies are at genuine risk here. Who will buy all the world supply of soybean oil, BMW's, Louis Vutton purses, bitcoin and American pork? The end is near. Save yourselves!
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Old 03-02-2020 | 03:10 AM
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Apologize for the long read, but appears to come from a credible source.

Dr. Michael Zapor

Being an infectious diseases physician, research microbiologist, and former deputy commander of the Walter Reed Army Institute of Research (which is in the business of identifying, researching, and mitigating infectious disease threats), I thought I’d make a few comments about Coronavirus Disease-2019.

Firstly, we've known about coronaviruses since the 1960s. Named for the crown-like arrangement of glycoproteins on their capsid, the coronaviruses comprise a family within the order Nidovirales and consist of four genera: alpha, beta, gamma, and delta. Coronaviruses are common in birds and mammals (with the greatest diversity in bats), and human infections are caused by two alpha- (i.e. HCoV-229E and HCoV-NL63) and several beta- (e.g. HCoV-OC43 and HCoV-HKU1) species. Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome coronavirus (SARS) and Middle East Respiratory Syndrome coronavirus (MERS) are also beta-coronaviruses. Coronaviruses are ubiquitous and along with rhinoviruses, parainfluenza, metapneumovirus, and respiratory syncytial virus, cause most community-acquired upper respiratory tract infections (i.e. the common cold). As with other respiratory viruses, coronaviruses occasionally cause more severe illness. Individuals at the extremes of age (i.e. infants and the elderly), as well as those with comorbid pulmonary disease (e.g. chronic obstructive pulmonary disease), or immune compromising conditions (e.g. hematopoietic stem cell transplant or HIV infection) are at increased risk. Certain coronavirus species (e.g. HCoV-OC43, SARS-CoV, and MERS-CoV) also are associated with more severe infection. Except for SARS-CoV and MERS-CoV, there has not been much interest in producing coronavirus vaccines. This derives from the fact that most coronaviruses: 1) cause mild, self-limiting illness; 2) are difficult to replicate in tissue culture; 3) display antigenic variation (That is to say that the surface proteins against which protective antibodies would be made change); and 4) Vaccine trials with at least one animal coronavirus demonstrated a worse outcome upon challenge with the virus (a problem similarly posed by dengue virus). Although some medicines, including antivirals and chloroquine, have demonstrated potent in vitro antiviral activity against tested coronaviruses (i.e. SARS-CoV, HCoV-229E, and HCoV-OC43), there are no clinical trials assessing efficacy and treatment is supportive. As with other respiratory viruses (such as rhinoviruses), coronaviruses are transmitted by respiratory aerosol, and the mainstay of prevention is handwashing, respiratory hygiene (i.e. covering the cough or sneeze), and disinfection of fomites (i.e. inanimate objects which can become contaminated).

The coronavirus now in the news emerged in late 2019 as a novel variant out of Wuhan, a city in the Hubei Province of China—hence, its earlier designation 2019-NCoV (i.e. 2019 Novel Coronavirus). Since it is no longer novel and is genetically and clinically like SARS, 2019-NCoV was re-designated SARS-CoV-2. SARS-CoV-2 has subsequently spread to other countries including South Korea, Italy, Iran, and Japan. Most cases have been among people who had either traveled from China or who had been exposed to someone known to be infected with SARS-CoV-2. However, several cases in the United States were recently diagnosed among people with no obvious risk factors, suggesting that community transmission is occurring. The incubation period for SARS-CoV-2 appears to average 3-6 days. Because viral DNA has been isolated from respiratory secretions of exposed asymptomatic individuals, it is believed that not everyone who is exposed will become ill. The extent to which these individuals transmit SARS-CoV-2 to others is not yet known. Epidemiological studies of the Wuhan outbreak suggest that most infected individuals will have mild disease (81%), and only a minority will develop pneumonia (14%) or pneumonia with respiratory failure, shock, or multiorgan dysfunction (5%).The overall estimated case fatality rate (CFR) appears to be ~2.3%, making it less deadly than some influenza strains and far less deadly than MERS. Moreover, the CFR was lower outside of Wuhan (0.7%) and as with other coronaviruses, risk factors for severe or critical disease include extremes of age, comorbid illness, and immune compromising conditions.

SARS-CoV-2 RNA detection is by means of polymerase chain reaction (PCR) amplification, using an assay that is currently only available (in the U.S.) at the Centers for Disease Control and CDC-qualified labs. However, there is a push to make the assay more available (e.g. to state health labs). Currently, the treatment of individuals infected with SARS-CoV-2 is supportive, but antiviral drugs including nucleotide analogues and protease inhibitors are being studied. As with other coronaviruses, the mainstay of prevention is handwashing, respiratory hygiene, and disinfection of fomites. Several labs, both in the U.S. and in Israel, are pursuing a SARS-CoV-2 vaccine, buoyed by the stability of at least some of the spike glycoproteins as well as sequence homology with several other human and poultry coronaviruses. It is also possible that as more and more people become exposed to SARS-CoV-2 and develop protective antibodies, transmission between susceptible individuals will decline (the “herd effect”).

Although the emergence of a novel pathogen is never a trifling matter, it is important for people to have a realistic understanding of the disease caused by it without succumbing to hysteria. To date, SARS-CoV-2 has shown itself to be a respiratory viral pathogen most commonly causing mild, self-limiting illness, with more severe disease limited to certain susceptible populations (in contrast, say, to the 1918 H1N1 influenza virus which disproportionately killed healthy younger people). Moreover, researchers are making progress in developing vaccines and therapeutics. I certainly don’t mean to trivialize SARS-CoV-2. However, I've seen far more lethal viral pathogens such as HIV, rabies, Ebola, and other viral hemorrhagic fever viruses; and unless something changes with the virus, I am only moderately alarmed by SARS-CoV-2.

On a positive note, the anti-vaxxers suddenly seem awfully quiet on social media…
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Old 03-02-2020 | 04:49 AM
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Good read. I read another report from an infectious disease specialist saying the same thing and how the hysteria has focused on the infection rate, when the important factor is the mortality rate. It said that the infection rate is most likely much higher, but since the symptoms in most people are no different than a mild case of the flu, that most people don’t go to a doctor and are not properly diagnosed. The important issue to focus on is the mortality rate. This is not the plague, it’s the flu. The mortality figures are not that different. Those who have lost their lives are almost exclusively the elderly or people who have weak or compromised immune systems. The difference in this version of the virus and others from he past, is that we now live in a global social media world. You can’t post anything on the internet without it going viral. It doesn’t matter if it is a political gaffe, or just a cute puppy. The media and the general population love a good crisis. This whole thing has been blown way out of proportion, but the results are real. It’s like yelling fire in a crowded theater. People know that there’s not really a fire, but they will stampede to the exits and people will get hurt. The same applies to us. The global panic over a flu virus is going to affect both business and leisure travel, therefore our jobs.
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Old 03-02-2020 | 05:22 AM
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I agree, great read. To add to all of this, if we continue to admit, isolate, and quarantine asymptomatic and mild cases, we will run out of hospital beds for patients who truly do need care (weather or not its COVID-19) - that will be a true public health emergency. Thats partly why the CFR is so much higher in Wuhan verses the rest of the world.
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Old 03-10-2020 | 02:16 AM
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This PANICDEMIC is going to gut the industry. The virus is a non event compared to the ramifications of the panic that has ensued.

This contains a reasonable analysis of that.

https://youtu.be/gxyBNp7N9AU
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Old 03-11-2020 | 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by SonicFlyer
To put things in perspective:

2002 - West Nile
2004 - SARS
2005 - Bird Flu
2009 - Swine flu
2014 - Ebola
2016 - Zika
Good info.
To put further in perspective, consider all of this happened after 9-11. We've been hit pretty hard with issues that have affected world-wide travel and interstate commerce.

Ebola has been popping up more than a few times. 1995, 2000, 2002, 2007, 2014-16.
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Old 03-11-2020 | 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Barley
Lol.. you spend all day and night on the Internet don’t you?
It's very childish to project.

Originally Posted by Vprdrvr
Thank you and well said. The greater pandemic.
Pretty sad.

Last edited by UAL T38 Phlyer; 03-11-2020 at 04:56 PM. Reason: Political quite
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