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cadetdrivr 04-24-2020 08:10 PM


Originally Posted by JimLaheyTPS (Post 3040785)
Thoughts and prayers for all those household dogs tonight in the homes of those that took an eSRL or god forbid an empty line.

Yup.

The company awarded E-SRLs and empty lines two days ago during round 3 of the offerings.

Lucy grabbed the football. Never saw that coming.

It certainly keeps any “discussions” in context going forward.

rvfanatic 04-24-2020 08:26 PM

Can’t say I’m surprised when you see aggressive plans that other carriers made way ahead of us to retire planes.

It was foolish for SK to give false hope and talk about taking back market share while other carriers floundered in recovery. For anyone that believed that and thought we wouldn’t furlough, tonight should serve as a wake up call to get your house in order.

fasteddie800 04-25-2020 05:59 AM


Originally Posted by rvfanatic (Post 3040810)
Can’t say I’m surprised when you see aggressive plans that other carriers made way ahead of us to retire planes.

756 fleet may be parked, however not retired (not yet, at least).

rvfanatic 04-25-2020 07:12 AM


Originally Posted by fasteddie800 (Post 3040959)
756 fleet may be parked, however not retired (not yet, at least).

If you don’t see what’s coming, I’ve got some beach front property in New Mexico to sell you. Great ROI!

Bestglide 04-25-2020 07:22 AM


Originally Posted by fasteddie800 (Post 3040959)
756 fleet may be parked, however not retired (not yet, at least).

I agree it’s still to early to presume anything yet. I think we will have much more visibility with this in the coming months.

I’m sure the company has negotiated much cheaper insurance rates as grounding this fleet is much more cost effective and I do believe we own most of them so from a cost standpoint this makes sense.

as for the ESRLs and zero hour lines....one word describes it...despicable!

baseball 04-25-2020 07:54 AM

I wonder if the company is simply going to let everyone's currency lapse.....

oldmako 04-25-2020 09:44 AM


Originally Posted by JimLaheyTPS (Post 3040627)
I could see that. But at the same time, now all of those pilots that took eSRL’s or empty lines for May could be kicking themselves and will roll the dice for June being an easy 73 hours. Time will tell just what the hell the company thinks they are doing with us I suppose.

If MU had any heart and conscience they'd pay those guys RES guarantee. That would be a hell of a gesture and would buy a mess of goodwill. You're right about one thing. Time will tell.


***Just think twice before you plan on spending the extra 23 hours if you bid the SRL.

CLazarus 04-25-2020 09:54 AM

I've previously speculated that we probably wouldn't retire the 756 fleet en masse, and this news certainly makes me doubt my previous guess. It is super expensive to stand up a new fleet type (training, spares buildup, updating airport procedures, etc.). But, I think the savings of suddenly retiring a fleet type are not that great in comparison, especially with fuel costs so low. The costs of displacements from rapidly retiring a somewhat senior fleet have got to be very high. A measured retirement pace allows old aircraft to be parted out smartly to keep the rest of the fleet flying and crews to be retrained with minimal displacements.

I know a 787 can reasonably do about anything a 767 can do. But, I'm curious how much of our 757-200 flying cannot be flown by anything smaller. DEN to HI or EWR/IAD/ORD to EDI or DUB come to to mind. I see they are currently removing aircraft with lie flat seating from our PS routes for the time being. If at least some of that flying doesn't start to come back by the time we start receiving the 17 Max -8s we are slated to receive sometime after the Max resumes production... well, maybe they won't unpark the 756s.

All in all I still tend to think this move could be temporary. But, the longer this bloodbath drags on the higher the likelihood it won't be. It's already dragged on longer than I ever would have imagined.

Chuck D 04-25-2020 10:00 AM


Originally Posted by CLazarus (Post 3041202)
I've previously speculated that we probably wouldn't retire the 756 fleet en masse, and this news certainly makes me doubt my previous guess. It is super expensive to stand up a new fleet type (training, spares buildup, updating airport procedures, etc.). But, I think the savings of suddenly retiring a fleet type are not that great in comparison, especially with fuel costs so low. The costs of displacements from rapidly retiring a somewhat senior fleet have got to be very high. A measured retirement pace allows old aircraft to be parted out smartly to keep the rest of the fleet flying and crews to be retrained with minimal displacements.

I know a 787 can reasonably do about anything a 767 can do. But, I'm curious how much of our 757-200 flying cannot be flown by anything smaller. DEN to HI or EWR/IAD/ORD to EDI or DUB come to to mind. I see they are currently removing aircraft with lie flat seating from our PS routes for the time being. If at least some of that flying doesn't start to come back by the time we start receiving the 17 Max -8s we are slated to receive sometime after the Max resumes production... well, maybe they won't unpark the 756s.

All in all I still tend to think this move could be temporary. But, the longer this bloodbath drags on the higher the likelihood it won't be. It's already dragged on longer than I ever would have imagined.

IMO enter a MAX7 order for east coast to Europe very thin routes and things like DEN-HI in 2021 Summer as things slowly get back to a new normal, w/ 321XLR added 2022 and on with 787 replacing bigger or longer routes and end of 756.

just a WAG worth about $0.00

bigfatdaddy 04-25-2020 10:15 AM


Originally Posted by Melit (Post 3041211)
I hope United pulls down completely!! Worst airline out there!

Maybe maybe not, certainly better than Expressjet.......troll....tool


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