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Old 05-02-2020 | 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by rp2pilot
As bad as they seem right now, there are rays of hope .. Last week, TSA reports the number of screened passengers increased to it's highest point since March 30th.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyl...se-coronavirus
Southwest pilot here. First, super sorry for those numbers you guys just had laid on you. Sucks. And very sad.

I just posted this in the SWA section, but thought I'd post it here since it was mentioned.

Update to the TSA traveler throughput numbers. Traffic yesterday (Friday) increased by 38.9% vs the previous Friday. Traveler throughput follows a cyclical pattern by day of week with Friday usually being the biggest day of the week (at least since the start of the covid-19 crisis). Yesterday saw 171,563 travelers people processed by TSA. Last Friday, TSA handled 123,464.

What's sort of interesting about the numbers is that the first few days of this week averaged about a 20% increase in travelers over last week. The last two days were right at a 38% increase. Is that the beginning of an acceleration in the trend? Hard to tell with such a small sample size, but fingers crossed.

Here's a visualization of the data since Mar 29. Each line represents one week. The purple line is the current week. The blue line is the week of Mar 29. The yellow line is the low point: the week of April 12.

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Old 05-02-2020 | 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by crewjuice
I have to admit, I’ve been reading these posts for a while, but have never commented on anything. My husband is a 737 FO in ORD. Around 4,000 seniority. I was hoping for the best, but after the displacement announcement today, I just opened up a bottle of wine and cried. We have two kids to think of, and I’m currently a SAHM. I have a RN license but haven’t worked in 4 years, so I’m a bit rusty, but at least we have that to fall back on. We have about a year’s worth of living expenses in savings, but I’m worried that won’t be enough to get us by for the duration of the furlough, and I really don’t want to deplete our savings account. I’m already talking to my husband about selling the house and downsizing, pulling our kids out of sports, etc., but he says I’m overreacting, and he doesn’t want to traumatize our kids. He doesn’t think all of these furloughs will happen at once. I’m praying for all of you, and I hope we all make it through this horrific time. Stay healthy and safe.
Look at the bright side. You’re an RN. 4 years isn’t that long to be out of the game. You can find a job that’ll provide benefits if it comes to it. No, not ideal but certainly better than not having that RN background.
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Old 05-02-2020 | 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by SteelerNation
So my limited understanding of these displacements means that in short order over 4000 pilots will be on the street. Me personally, since I’m around the 4000 number was expecting this to take awhile to hit me. I guess my assumptions were wrong. Oh well. Philippians 4:6-7 seems appropriate but hard to do. Good luck everyone.
There is this philosophy from a guy named Stockdale, also a pilot, called the Stockdale Paradox. at https://www.jimcollins.com/media_top...leParadox.html I know it is far removed from getting furloughed at an airline but you have all the talents and skill sets to get through this rough patch. You just have to figure out your path. I know this is a crappy way to phrase it but I would not have exchanged my 2 furloughs for anything. Everyone has a different perspective so mine may be selfish or unique but there is so much opportunity outside life at UAL. Control what you can control.
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Old 05-02-2020 | 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by ELAC321
You think chance of a furlough is similar to a V1 cut? There's wishful thinking and then there's this guy. Hoping for the best for all of you guys.
ELAC,

Not at all what I said or meant. Go back and read it again.

We do prepare for a V1 Cut every flight because it is a serious threat although it is not likely.
Same with an ELAC, works great but you got more than 1 in case it fails.

We should not dismiss the potential for 4,000 furloughs on OCT 01.
Instead we should prepare for 4,000 furloughs because it is a serious threat, and it is also very likely.

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Old 05-02-2020 | 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by SONORA PASS
I appreciate the positive thinking, but think it is important to understand that they absolutely can and might furlough 4000 in OCT.
I do understand all that and am well prepared. If the economy stays completely prostrate I won't publicly guess where it will all end up. But, the folks who just look at today's displacement totals and simply assume that it equals total furloughs are getting way ahead of themselves. This is going to take some time to sort through.

That's why I think seeing the long term NB FO numbers after any subsequent displacement rounds is an important factor. For example, we started with about 4300 (incl 756 FO). Lets just randomly guess that NB flying is going to be down 25% next summer (so, we'd only need about 3225 NB FOs). After a couple of rounds of displacements if there are projected to be 5225 NB FOs... you can do the math. We have a lot old jets that are going to be retired and we have quite a few new jets coming to replace at least some of them. I'm not trying to blow sunshine where the sun doesn't shine, but there is more to this than the headline.
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Old 05-02-2020 | 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by CLazarus
I do understand all that and am well prepared. If the economy stays completely prostrate I won't publicly guess where it will all end up. But, the folks who just look at today's displacement totals and simply assume that it equals total furloughs are getting way ahead of themselves. This is going to take some time to sort through.

That's why I think seeing the long term NB FO numbers after any subsequent displacement rounds is an important factor. For example, we started with about 4300 (incl 756 FO). Lets just randomly guess that NB flying is going to be down 25% next summer (so, we'd only need about 3225 NB FOs). After a couple of rounds of displacements if there are projected to be 5225 NB FOs... you can do the math. We have a lot old jets that are going to be retired and we have quite a few new jets coming to replace at least some of them. I'm not trying to blow sunshine where the sun doesn't shine, but there is more to this than the headline.



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Old 05-02-2020 | 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Lewbronski
Southwest pilot here. First, super sorry for those numbers you guys just had laid on you. Sucks. And very sad.

I just posted this in the SWA section, but thought I'd post it here since it was mentioned.

Update to the TSA traveler throughput numbers. Traffic yesterday (Friday) increased by 38.9% vs the previous Friday. Traveler throughput follows a cyclical pattern by day of week with Friday usually being the biggest day of the week (at least since the start of the covid-19 crisis). Yesterday saw 171,563 travelers people processed by TSA. Last Friday, TSA handled 123,464.

What's sort of interesting about the numbers is that the first few days of this week averaged about a 20% increase in travelers over last week. The last two days were right at a 38% increase. Is that the beginning of an acceleration in the trend? Hard to tell with such a small sample size, but fingers crossed.

Here's a visualization of the data since Mar 29. Each line represents one week. The purple line is the current week. The blue line is the week of Mar 29. The yellow line is the low point: the week of April 12.

Attachment 5296
It’s a nice trend to see, but demand for forward bookings here is still essentially zero. On the glass half full side of things we’re seeing far more searches of flights for March 2021 (Spring Break) than we did for March 2020 this same time last year. This indicates pent-up demand. On the glass-half empty side these are only searches. They aren’t translating into actual bookings.
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Old 05-02-2020 | 11:36 AM
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Out of curiosity for a non United guy, 4000-5000 pilots backs you up to about what hire date?
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Old 05-02-2020 | 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by whataclub
Out of curiosity for a non United guy, 4000-5000 pilots backs you up to about what hire date?
I believe well into 2007. Please correct me if I’m wrong.
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Old 05-02-2020 | 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Lewbronski
Southwest pilot here. ...

Here's a visualization of the data since Mar 29. Each line represents one week. The purple line is the current week. The blue line is the week of Mar 29. The yellow line is the low point: the week of April 12.

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What would really put this graph into an accurate perspective is to have a line showing typical traveler numbers for these dates (~2,500,000), and it'd show that this graph needs to be 14 times taller to include that line and that this uptick is insignificant in the grand scheme.

I'm sorry you guys got this news today.
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