The bid still calls for 11,400 pilots. When you take into consideration that SK was emphasizing the need to get out a head of this to stem cash flow burn, I guess this makes more sense than piecemeal displacements.

what is the process of canceling/vacancy bidding positions if this thing turns around in the next 12 months?

 

5,007 Total

• 4,476 Active (Line Pilots)
• 40 Management Pilots
• 251 Training Instructors
• 240 Pilots on Long Term Absences

At least thats what was in the MEC email today.....

As of todays date, looks like 13,025 pilots on the seniority list.

 

What do these numbers mean for those of us not familiar with UAL? They’re displaced off of equipment leaving the fleet? Is this an indirect way to calculate furloughs?

 

So my limited understanding of these displacements means that in short order over 4000 pilots will be on the street. Me personally, since I’m around the 4000 number was expecting this to take awhile to hit me. I guess my assumptions were wrong. Oh well. Philippians 4:6-7 seems appropriate but hard to do. Good luck everyone.

 

Looks like I wasn’t far off with my WAG a few weeks ago yet a few of you busted my chops for it.

 

Where do you see that? I read it as 6891.

 

Would everyone, please, take a moment from thinking about how hard this situation is going to upend so many lives and give this person the credit and validation that he/she so desperately craves?

 

You're right! I totally lost sight of his/her WAGing skills and would hate to not praise him/her for a close guess (that still may not be correct). Thank you JoeyPants for reminding us of what's really important today. I hope he/she accepts my congratulations and sincerest apologies for the gross oversight.

 

I'm still digesting the eye popping displacement numbers, but 4000 on the street is not going to happen for a long time (or ever I think). Small example -

Take a look at IAH 787 FO where they are not displacing any CAs and displacing just 9 FOs at or below seniority number 6801. Now consider IAH 777, which is closing for now with 94 CAs and 169 FOs. Of those 777 CAs, all but five of them could displace to 787 CA in IAH, and I think it is a good bet most will do so (along with a handful of 756 CAs). Of the 169 777 FOs, 120 are senior enough to displace into IAH 787. And of course, there are WB guys from other bases that might just displace into IAH 787. I don't know what they will do with a follow on displacement, but my take from this one tidbit is that 787 IAH is being set to possibly grow. This jives with our continuing 787 deliveries and what was said in Bryan's note about the 787 being "the workhorse of our international operation for the forseeable future". It will take forever to train all these guys, time for a recovery to take hold I hope.

When the final results come out from this bid and we see the cascade of guys back into the NB fleets, I think it will give a better idea of the scale of any future furloughs. I wouldn't be surprised if someone starts trying to figure it out in the meantime.

 

That’s some funny **** right there