You got that right brother. Even on the other forum, no one can justify the carve out (if true) as well. Heck, no one can reasonably explain why it’s even there.

They don’t even want to talk about it, imagine that.

Pop on over to the FedEx forum. 4a2b (furlough mitigation) is still being argued about today, 12 years later. Plenty of negotiating capital was used to try to fix the stuff that wasn’t interpreted in the way the MEC thought it would be when it was applied by the company (negotiations that should have been about pay and benefits). I don’t recommend that UA pilots go actively in search of a new slippery slope, there are already plenty of them out there.

Pipe

That’s because this thread is dominated by like 5 or 6 people. You honestly think 12,000+ pilots are on here and just not posting? Plenty of people don’t feel the need to validate themselves by anonymously posting their views in the hopes that they might influence somebody’s vote. I wish I was one of them.

I think I’m going to start volunteering for that hard working 90+ hr a month zoom job.

A lot of you keep acting like the company should just pay everyone a normal amount to do nothing. Darn company! They “chose to furlough!”. They should have “offered a real early out”. Never mind they don’t need over half of us and will lose even more money once Cares runs out. But yeah, they should pay everyone to retire or sit at home.

It won't surprise me in the least if the actual language is essentially what's been leaked. Why? Because it's always been this way. The union always starts selling in advance. You get a whiff of this fart, a whiff of that one. They stink. The putrid vapors become more and more pronounced. Kinder screams otherwise and counsels calm like Kevin Bacon in Animal House.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/i...SG1-g&usqp=CAU


Then the turd flops out and hits the deck. I don't think its speculation.

Like it or not, we're a bunch of blue collar union workers and we have a contract. The mere idea that we are entertaining ANYTHING at this point in time makes me retch. They have billions now and access to billions more. Hell, there may even be a vaccine in the next 6 to 9 months. Our contract expired years ago! Yet they mictureated away 9B of our rainy day fund while laughing and giving us the finger from their corner booth at Mortons! SUCKERS!

This proposal turns sentiority upside down and divides the pilot group. This proposal turn us into migrant workers and ensures that WE will bail them out at each and every burp in the industry. This proposal opens the door for all of us to earn less money whenever they think it's necessary through reduced guarantee. I don't need to see the final language.

Not everyone....just me 🖕🏻😏🖕🏻

(Kidding.....in case that’s not crystal clear)

There is a reason why some of us do not blindly trust our union or negotiation committee-
5-J-1-h.
I would bet that the majority (90%+) of our pilots are not aware of this issue.

In that we were blatantly lied to. In the hearing regarding the violation of seat 4B, it turns out that the union sold that seat back to the company to get an extra $50 million towards our signing bonus, during negotiations and BEFORE the TA was put out there.
So instead of a $350 million signing bonus to all the pilots, the 756 pilots added another $50 million to the pot but were not told till afterwards.. that 5-J-1-h didn't 'actually' apply.

Who said it? "Trust but verify"...
(I know, it was RR)
Still holds true today.

And for those of you saying we don't even know if the rumors are true, will.. again, history-
Many of us have been around long enough to know that when certain things are 'leaked' right before the official union announcement, they are usually 95%ish on the mark.

History.. hmm, what a novel concept. Learning from it NOT trying to re-write it.

Motch

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. STOP THE INSANITY AND VOTE NO IF THE AIP RUMORS ARE TRUE.