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Originally Posted by dmeg13021
(Post 3126378)
I don’t need any help from Congress. I don’t need any /3 to take a pay cut. I need my peers to sack up and vote to uphold the contract and not turn this job back into their ****ty RJ job out of fear of 0% pay.
I fully support our union and efforts for mitigation. I will be extremely disappointed if what we see looks like the rumors. I will be more disappointed when it passes. I will finally get mad when March rolls around and they come back for more MPG to save more furloughs. And we pass that, too. |
Originally Posted by duvie
(Post 3126211)
But as stated many times, as a junior captain not holding a furlough letter, I for one would consider a (Hypothetical) TA that effectively delivers me a 66% paycut (NB CA to 50% NB FO) If it kept people off the street
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This is about less work. Not less pay. If the AIP says reducing a wage for the same amount of time, that would be less pay. This about less work because we have less passengers who need our work. Because of a once in a century event that has impacted the global economy. Regardless if its danger is real or not, the impact is. If you work less, you have more of your time and there is the misunderstanding. Im sure some of you are itching to payoff that 3rd house in Florida and love flying 23 days a month, but many of us will be happy to keep the only one we have by flying 8.
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Originally Posted by serenitynow
(Post 3126401)
Just to clarify. If the rumors are true, anybody going to 50% pay was eventually facing 0% pay (at least threatened) so the pilot you are saving from the street is yoursel and the other lower 1/3.
not so easy for the 2850, many of whom have school age kids and moving is much less of an option |
Originally Posted by 130shadow
(Post 3126285)
You got that right brother. Even on the other forum, no one can justify the carve out (if true) as well. Heck, no one can reasonably explain why it’s even there.
"Can someone please explain to me what I am missing. Been here for 23 years and a 777 FO. If this AIP rumor is true, am I to understand that some JUNIOR to me will be pay protected in a capt seat... " You really probably shouldn't hold your seat. The company determines what seats people can hold, not us. Is it our load factor now. The projected loads in the summer. The current displacements, the cancelled displacements, or the future displacements. It's a moving line. You are doing the comparing game of what your buddy is getting and you are not. |
Originally Posted by Mudge
(Post 3126420)
This is about less work. Not less pay. If the AIP says reducing a wage for the same amount of time, that would be less pay. This about less work because we have less passengers who need our work. Because of a once in a century event that has impacted the global economy. Regardless if its danger is real or not, the impact is. If you work less, you have more of your time and there is the misunderstanding. Im sure some of you are itching to payoff that 3rd house in Florida and love flying 23 days a month, but many of us will be happy to keep the only one we have by flying 8.
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Originally Posted by Mudge
(Post 3126420)
This is about less work. Not less pay. If the AIP says reducing a wage for the same amount of time, that would be less pay. This about less work because we have less passengers who need our work. Because of a once in a century event that has impacted the global economy. Regardless if its danger is real or not, the impact is. If you work less, you have more of your time and there is the misunderstanding. Im sure some of you are itching to payoff that 3rd house in Florida and love flying 23 days a month, but many of us will be happy to keep the only one we have by flying 8.
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Originally Posted by tankerdude
(Post 3126182)
Sucks for everyone involved. Luckily we have all had over 6 months to get our households in order. Asking the middle 3rd to live off of $140k on min guarantee is easier than asking the bottom 3rd to live off $0. In this current situation we find ourselves in, its hard to find a win. Id argue that the ability to bounce back before the other 2 guys provides much more job security and growth in the coming years. Unfortunately as much as we preach unionism and solidarity, you really get to see who is all about "me" in situations like this. I'm ok with working fewer days (for fewer dollars respectively) if it means that someone junior who's family depends on them can keep their job.
But I'm equally nauseated by the lack of leadership at the Master Chairman level who has allowed this to fester and our pilot group to devolve into a fractional mess. |
Originally Posted by Poss
(Post 3126428)
Look at what we've become. A food fight for a limited number of block hours, individuals determining who's more needy, who's had it worse, who can afford it and who can't. Pilots want to rehash history, redefine the importance of long held contractual provisions, label people as scabs, and greedy. Any notion of the true value and meaning of seniority is being tossed out the window. I'm nauseated by it.
But I'm equally nauseated by the lack of leadership at the Master Chairman level who has allowed this to fester and our pilot group to devolve into a fractional mess. |
Originally Posted by Poss
(Post 3126428)
Look at what we've become. A food fight for a limited number of block hours, individuals determining who's more needy, who's had it worse, who can afford it and who can't. Pilots want to rehash history, redefine the importance of long held contractual provisions, label people as scabs, and greedy. Any notion of the true value and meaning of seniority is being tossed out the window. I'm nauseated by it.
But I'm equally nauseated by the lack of leadership at the Master Chairman level who has allowed this to fester and our pilot group to devolve into a fractional mess. If this comes to MR and is voted down, who will be cast as the bad guys when the furloughs happen? The 'middle ⅓' ...that's who. If it passes and we have the 'top ⅓' raking in premium pay and high credit time while the 'bottom ⅓' gets stuck commuting to reserve for 36.5 credit hours who will be the bad guys? The top ⅓, that's who. I can't even fathom that we helped create this new divisive scheme... Hell, I haven't even seen the contents of the vessel yet...but I can already see that the vessel is hopelessly flawed from a unionist point of view. |
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