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Originally Posted by Four Strings
(Post 3126424)
Curious to read the whole thing and how it affects days off for reserves. Will there be three different sets of min days off for reserves within the different thirds?
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Originally Posted by TheDonald
(Post 3126441)
This is exactly what I was thinking...If reserves now get 73 hours and 12 days off, if your in the bottom third and are paid 38-40 hours shouldn't you get about 22-24 days off?
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Originally Posted by TheDonald
(Post 3126441)
This is exactly what I was thinking...If reserves now get 73 hours and 12 days off, if your in the bottom third and are paid 38-40 hours shouldn't you get about 22-24 days off?
To answer your question, 73 hours/18 days = 4+03 hours/day. If that basic math remains the same and you take a 50% reduction then you should work 9 fewer days in the month. You just have to see the details if a TA comes to MR. Take a look through the contract and be ready to apply the TA language. |
Originally Posted by 130shadow
(Post 3125654)
they took the bid when the can hold it, i passed on it by choice. Now that they are bumped and cannot hold that seat any longer, they should not be pay protected. It’s a carve out, plain and simple and does not honor the seniority system.
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Originally Posted by Mudge
(Post 3126420)
This is about less work. Not less pay. If the AIP says reducing a wage for the same amount of time, that would be less pay. This about less work because we have less passengers who need our work. Because of a once in a century event that has impacted the global economy. Regardless if its danger is real or not, the impact is. If you work less, you have more of your time and there is the misunderstanding. Im sure some of you are itching to payoff that 3rd house in Florida and love flying 23 days a month, but many of us will be happy to keep the only one we have by flying 8.
Perhaps for YOU. Your argument fits you. It does not fit my buddy who is a junior Capt on the guppy and has a whole parcel of kids at University at the same time. Taking home 20-25 hours less pay per month will decimate him and his finances. He has one house. It's nice, but it's not a Captains palace. Two older cars. Zero ex-wives. No Vette, no ketch, no Cub. Just bills. He and most United pilots have been managing their households based upon expected hours per month. This will kick em right in the crotch. |
Originally Posted by oldmako
(Post 3126317)
It won't surprise me in the least if the actual language is essentially what's been leaked. Why? Because it's always been this way. The union always starts selling in advance. You get a whiff of this fart, a whiff of that one. They stink. The putrid vapors become more and more pronounced. Kinder screams otherwise and counsels calm like Kevin Bacon in Animal House.
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/i...SG1-g&usqp=CAU Then the turd flops out and hits the deck. I don't think its speculation. Like it or not, we're a bunch of blue collar union workers and we have a contract. The mere idea that we are entertaining ANYTHING at this point in time makes me retch. They have billions now and access to billions more. Hell, there may even be a vaccine in the next 6 to 9 months. Our contract expired years ago! Yet they mictureated away 9B of our rainy day fund while laughing and giving us the finger from their corner booth at Mortons! SUCKERS! This proposal turns sentiority upside down and divides the pilot group. This proposal turn us into migrant workers and ensures that WE will bail them out at each and every burp in the industry. This proposal opens the door for all of us to earn less money whenever they think it's necessary through reduced guarantee. I don't need to see the final language. |
Originally Posted by serenitynow
(Post 3126422)
It's there to get the votes. Like changing congressional district lines to get the votes needed to win. I'm not a yes or a no vote but quoting an earlier post by you
"Can someone please explain to me what I am missing. Been here for 23 years and a 777 FO. If this AIP rumor is true, am I to understand that some JUNIOR to me will be pay protected in a capt seat... " You really probably shouldn't hold your seat. The company determines what seats people can hold, not us. Is it our load factor now. The projected loads in the summer. The current displacements, the cancelled displacements, or the future displacements. It's a moving line. You are doing the comparing game of what your buddy is getting and you are not. Sent from my SM-N986U using Tapatalk |
Originally Posted by oldmako
(Post 3126459)
Mudge...
Perhaps for YOU. Your argument fits you. It does not fit my buddy who is a junior Capt on the guppy and has a whole parcel of kids at University at the same time. Taking home 20-25 hours less pay per month will decimate him and his finances. He has one house. It's nice, but it's not a Captains palace. Two older cars. Zero ex-wives. No Vette, no ketch, no Cub. Just bills. He and most United pilots have been managing their households based upon expected hours per month. This will kick em right in the crotch. |
I don't think anyone in the bottom 1/3 getting bumped from capt is gonna be pay protected.
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Does anyone think SK will do something shady to buy votes? Something like "In anticipation of a yes vote from the pilot group we are holding off on furloughs until November 1st." He has obviously put the fear of God into a lot of people. It's pretty difficult to look at a TA objectivity when you're staring down the barrel of a gun. Just doing some napkin math, it usually takes at least a week to get the final language and present that to the MEC. If they vote to send it to MEMRAT you are looking at about a month of road shows before the vote. So looking at the end of October at the earliest? If the majority of his intended yes voters are furloughed October 1st they won't be eligible to vote. Am I missing something?
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