From last night's MEC Email:

Hmmmmmm. I didn't see anything in the rumors that even touched on scope.

1. It’s rumors you’re talking about. F’ing RUMORS. Chill and read it when it comes out.

2. Even if scope weren’t involved in the final language, I would want the scope pros going through it with a fine toothed comb and briefing me on why they think it would or wouldn’t be acceptable.

Now go back to the rumor mill. I’ll have another beer 🍻

OF COURSE we're talking about rumors. You might need 'chill'...or stop reading sections that contain ONLY rumor.

In case you haven't noticed, the LEC reps are still taking calls and input, and are reactive to mid course guidance. The reason I pointed that out is because we might want to start reviewing and thinking about UPA scope provisions and what type of changes we would accept or reject. Once you get a group leaning one way they tend to minimize or disregard warning signs. Didn't we learn about this in CQ?... The MEC update was the 1st mention of scope related to this TA. Assume that away if you wish, but my antennae just got perked up.

this is a good point. It makes me wonder if this TA really incorporates 80% of what was agreed on in prior contract negotiations. It seems to fit some of the rumor narrative around pay raises etc.

it would also be very convenient to push it through on a rush timeline as an LOA rather than a new contract.

but maybe I am just too suspicious.

Well that was also the year of the Arthur Anderson/Enron scandal something to consider when looking back at anyone’s reports from that time. As you said the industry was in trouble already largely. I believe a couple of companies like US and AmWest had already announced or were hinting at l furloughs prior to 9/11.

Imo, that 4% to flat was Goodwin and Dutta trying to save face after a tough run and unlikely to happen. The DC-10 and older 747’s were gone. The 737-200’s were toast as well to be replaced by an A319 order that never materialized. The 727’s were up next, but there never was a replacement order there. Both fleets left faster than expected that fall, but they were going anyway-that’s nearly 100 NB’s with only 1/4 of the smaller ones replaced. Most of it would have been 50 seat RJ’s. The Shuttle was about to be merged with mainline and rationalized, they were already doing so on the low prior to 9/11. WB in places like MIA, JFK, SEA and HNL were drying up, shuffling or both.

Also remember that a lot of UA’s growth predictions in that timeframe included anticipated UsAirways flying. They had stopped pretty much all internal initiatives there once that deal was announced.


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The scope committee makes reports all of the time. They are tracking block hours and making sure that the company stays in compliance with our contract.

That's true, but they mentioned the committee in context of explaining the TA.

Starting to sound like Colonel Kurtz......

LOL ... yes he does ... out there operating on his own ...

It is amazing how many of you are willingly and what seems to be excitedly taking part in becoming angry about AiP information that is completely made-up. Put the child-like emotional fits on the backburner and don’t pizzagate your own union.