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Originally Posted by Dicecal (Post 3127481)

If thats true about displacements NOT cancelled for the top 2/3s, there is zero incentive for the top 2/3s to vote yes. Will never pass.

I think you’re right

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Originally Posted by exalhoa (Post 3127472)

This. I'm 61 this month and want nothing more than to walk away. Since we had just about the worst EO program in the industry, my next choice was going to be VF. That would give me full furlough pay plus approximately 2 years medical, if it lasted that long. I would have no intention of returning. I'm just looking for a bit of a bridge to 65, not an entire ride. Now I'm afraid that will be gone. Almost any other airline, I would already be gone. I just learned a friend took a 2 year SRL (called "surfer leave") at Hawaiian. 50 hrs, full benefits. To me, that's an EO. At the end, I'd resign.

I'm still going to walk. It will take me a few months to strategize and at least my 5 months of SL will have the same hourly rate.

United is the only airline selling the "snapback" fantasy to their employees. It's not going to happen IMHO. With 4 years to go, I might have the same QOL by my last year that I had in Feb of this year. And it wasn't even that great, 23 years doesn't buy much here.

I'm in exactly the same 61-year-old boat. I'd jump at the chance to depart the fix early. But I don't see it happening.

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Originally Posted by SystemB (Post 3127194)

Just wondering.. IF the middle third were supposedly to not be furloughed, then what justifies the deeper MPG cut compared to the top third? Aside from “gotta pay your dues”...

Maybe because they are most likely to avoid downgrades if there is not a furlough-just a guess.

I retired 3 years ago at 59 and a half. What’s stopping you??

Jim,

Its money. What's the magic number for a couple? My dad made it to 93. That's a long time to live off of savings, especially when one considers health care concerns. I've already done a hell of a lot of damage to my liver, so I have that going for me!

No MIL pension here and my PBGC benefits are 300 dollars per month. SS might be 2800. No inheritance money coming. And I don't live in the boondocs nor care to.

I'd love to know that magic number.

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Originally Posted by Dicecal (Post 3127481)

If thats true about displacements NOT cancelled for the top 2/3s, there is zero incentive for the top 2/3s to vote yes. Will never pass.

You need to read more carefully. That is not what he said

"Permanent after 6 months"?
Well, I guess we know when management plans to go hide behind CH11.
Enjoy the 6 months of first class DHs and the subsequent 10-15 years of 35 hour lines at static pay rates.

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Originally Posted by oldmako (Post 3127504)

You could always work in sales at a Mazda dealer. Think of that for a hot minute.. employee discounted lease on a new miata every three years!

That number is easily computed. Use any lifespan you'd like. Numerous calculators can do the job. Best of luck.

Therin lies the rub. There's lifespan and then there's the quality of that span. In my state the average cost of a full-time nursing home is approaching ten grand per month. That kind of money can decimate a retirement portfolio in fairly short order. Unless you started very young and were very aggressive and a bit lucky. It's a moving target.

Plus, I like toys. None of the calculators I have seen say, "And you can afford (to buy, maintain and feed) one of these!"
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