My dad would have had a problem with the DD214. His WWII records were destroyed in the 1973 fire in St. Louis.

...but what if they're pay protected in their new seat at their old seat rate? Would have the same effect (in the short term) of cancelling the displacement, wouldn't it? How many guys would go for that?

Meanwhile, everyone is trained down to where the company needs them since TK is running at full steam after 1 October. Company gets its pilot group right sized for the leaner operation & we bankroll it with the MPG cuts.

Look very closely at when the no furlough clause expires.

I tell my wife, load me in the car, stick a copy of my DD214 $100 in my pocket, drive me to the nearest VA hospital Hooters, leave me at the curb and drive away.

fixed it for you.
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Best post in a long time

Well, looks like someone leaked a pic taken at the negotiations. Shocking... Just Shocking

Right on!!!

I want to start this off by saying that I’m not making any preconceived notions and I WILL NOT make a decision until I read the entire content of any LOA that might reach our pilots for MR. I was in the sticks with limited data coverage for the past six days. I’m just trying to catch up on the rumors (ya know pure unsubstantiated truth).

On the surface, with the top 33% only taking a 10% reduction in MPG, the next third 20%, and the bottom third 50% reduction seems unfair. Having said that, the 3900 furloughs are approximately 1/3 of our pilots. So the bottom third (which I’m part of) is forced to make a decision to make half pay or no pay (if furloughed). The top third would be sacrificing 10% whereas if this TA were to fail MR, they would take no cut.

If the rumors are true, the top 2/3 would have their displacements cancelled. Bottom third would still get displaced.

$11K LTD is nice

RSV changes is good depending on what they actually amount to.

All DH in FC = whateves (not really a big deal)

Pay raise??? What???

The snap backs are the most critical part of this. Especially a snap back prior to entering bankruptcy (if that exists in this TA?).

More likely this...

Not a poster here. Happy first post.




Has the MEC take any pay cuts since this c19 happened? They all still getting their 94.5 fulltime hours, non displaced?

What type of actual guidance have the LEC reps delivered to the NC and what were the size and depth dimensions of their sandbox? Who guided the NC, the reps or the Master Chair?

Why all the executive session?

What type of polling has taken place in order to get the pulse of the pilots? What limitations have the pilot group placed on this process?

The top 2/3's have all taken a beating on displacements. Most lose about 10K a month due to lost pay in lower paying categories. Have the MEC on FT pay protection experienced the same? Or do they continue to get their "best held" 94.5 hrs pay without going to training? Will they have to retroactively repay anything? My concern is that Insler and his gang will keep getting big pay, while the minion line pilots take one for the team.

What are the automatic triggers to snap back and retro pay? Who guarantees we get made whole and what is that process?

When did the LEC reps authorize the NC to pursue this course of action?

What does the AIP do to dues income at ALPA as compared to not having the AIP?

Is this now simply a part time job? Is that the view of ALPA?

Are the pilots simply financing the business plan of UAL, or is the rest of the employees taking one for the team as well? Are we the only ones "participating" in reduced earnings schemes to finance and fund the airlines business plan?

i’m sure if you look at hours worked over the course of the pandemic, all of the ALPA guys and gals have more than earned their pay. Having good people in right now is more important than ever, and I for one believe they are probably worth every penny we are paying for it.

obviously just speculating, but if you told any of the ALPA people that they could either work 80 wry stressful hours a week for their pay, or work zero hours a week for reserve pay… I think given what they’ve been through, most would choose the latter.

it’s easy in the heat of battle to critique every decision they’re making, but I suspect when we look back at this a couple years from now and see how dire the stakes were, I believe we will thank them for their work