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Old 09-23-2020, 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Dave Fitzgerald View Post
We must have worked for a different airline in the 90's. The ESOP was some of the best flying and quality of life I've ever had. Go Shuttle!

The horrific 9-11 event had never been seen before. Yes, Glenn sucked and we made lots of other mistakes then, but revisionist history is a dangerous thing.
Shuttle was good times! At that point, with the Shuttle, we owned about 50% of the West Coast Market. Sad to see it gone, along with my ESOP shares
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Old 09-23-2020, 10:01 AM
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Im in the bottom group so you tell me. You want my name and file number for your list?

Maybe voting yourself other people’s money and something you don’t deserve is scabbish, ever think about that?

I want to come back to an intact contract. You vote you.

Stop diluting the meaning of the word. It’s reserved for a very particular set of individuals and behaviors.

I don’t get the argument of coming back to a contract intact. This ta will be gone by the time you are called back from furlough and we will be back to current contract unless bankruptcy occurs which I doubt and the contract is done anyways in court
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Old 09-23-2020, 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Up7997 View Post
I don’t get the argument of coming back to a contract intact. This ta will be gone by the time you are called back from furlough and we will be back to current contract unless bankruptcy occurs which I doubt and the contract is done anyways in court
That’s because you aren’t an über paranoid, tin foil hat wearing, dyed-in-the-wool conspiracy theorist. Now THEY get it!!!!
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Old 09-23-2020, 12:11 PM
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That’s because you aren’t an über paranoid, tin foil hat wearing, dyed-in-the-wool conspiracy theorist. Now THEY get it!!!!
If you can point to me one time a concession ever yielded the desired results, or that concession snap back was ever honored please...

I’ll wait.
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Old 09-23-2020, 12:25 PM
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If you can point to me one time a concession ever yielded the desired results, or that concession snap back was ever honored please...

I’ll wait.
Most of the concessions that I recall just amended the contract with the idea that we’d renegotiate a new contract on the back side. Can you give an example of a LOA with firm termination triggers that were ignored? I’m not being sarcastic, I’m actually curious. This thing isn’t a magic pill, and it is far from perfect, but it does have firm triggers that will either end or pause the concession aspects of the deal
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Old 09-23-2020, 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Hedley View Post
Most of the concessions that I recall just amended the contract with the idea that we’d renegotiate a new contract on the back side. Can you give an example of a LOA with firm termination triggers that were ignored? I’m not being sarcastic, I’m actually curious. This thing isn’t a magic pill, and it is far from perfect, but it does have firm triggers that will either end or pause the concession aspects of the deal
^^^^^^^^^^^^
he said it
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Old 09-23-2020, 12:53 PM
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^^^^^^^^^^^^
he said it
liars... all liars
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Old 09-23-2020, 04:47 PM
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This was really about making sure no one forgot that BF suggested that the bottom 3900 pilots not be allowed to vote because they would vote differently than he would..... just saying.
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Old 09-23-2020, 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Hedley View Post
Most of the concessions that I recall just amended the contract with the idea that we’d renegotiate a new contract on the back side. Can you give an example of a LOA with firm termination triggers that were ignored? I’m not being sarcastic, I’m actually curious. This thing isn’t a magic pill, and it is far from perfect, but it does have firm triggers that will either end or pause the concession aspects of the deal
You seem to hang your hat on these triggers. I’m curious, which one in your opinion will terminate this TA?
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Old 09-23-2020, 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Grumble View Post
If you can point to me one time a concession ever yielded the desired results, or that concession snap back was ever honored please...

I’ll wait.
Can you provide one example of a bankruptcy judge allowing a company to allow employees to work 50-90% of a normal schedule?

I'll wait.
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