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mmm123

09-21-2020 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Mudge (Post 3133210)

Yes. But most of us saw this coming in March. My guess is 5 years off property. I don't want to come back to less than what I'll be leaving with.

Smart move Mudge!!

Dogbelch

09-21-2020 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Big5 (Post 3133211)

Depends, we have different menus depending on which group you’re in. Will you be dining off the seniors menu? Or should I grab the kids menu?

For the win! Perfect. Solid NO vote

Mudge

09-21-2020 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by GolferNJ (Post 3133213)

So you are a Yes vote? If you come back in 5 years with a No vote our pay will have been eaten up by inflation (say 10% down). If you vote yes, in 5 years this TA will have sunsetted and we will have a 5% raise, 1st class, minor RSV fixes, etc... Not sure how a No vote makes us better off in 5 years?

Labor negotiations are a game of chicken. We all know it. Let's see if they can do better.

Nucflash

09-21-2020 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Mudge (Post 3133210)

My guess is 5 years off property. I don't want to come back to less than what I'll be leaving with.

If your 5 years holds up (probably accurate) then this TA would have expired 3 years prior. Yeah, your math totally makes sense. Makes me interested to know how you calculate bingo fuel.

duvie

09-21-2020 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Mudge (Post 3133225)

Labor negotiations are a game of chicken. We all know it. Let's see if they can do better.

I don’t think time is on our side in this case Mudge.

Big5	09-21-2020 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Nucflash (Post 3133226)

If your 5 years holds up (probably accurate) then this TA would have expired 3 years prior. Yeah, your math totally makes sense. Makes me interested to know how you calculate bingo fuel.

You start with an extra 2000lbs at the gate (assuming narrow body) and adjust upwards from there to avoid a bingo situation.

Mudge

09-21-2020 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Nucflash (Post 3133226)

If your 5 years holds up (probably accurate) then this TA would have expired 3 years prior. Yeah, your math totally makes sense. Makes me interested to know how you calculate bingo fuel.

Bingo is objective.. Market speculation is not.

Poss	09-21-2020 08:41 AM

What is the total bill for this concessionary TA and how much are we actually spending to save the furloughs(temporarily)? The difference is hundreds of million of dollars. Hundreds of millions of dollars out of our pockets to fund Kirby's business gamble. If it's such a good business risk then why doesn't Kirby fund it? He doesn't have to because he's got Insler's hands in our pockets. Lots of promises, lots of fear, lots of shiny useless trinkets.

Don't worry though. Next time the company furloughs it will be different.

Andy	09-21-2020 08:42 AM

I read and digested the TA over the last few days.

I voted this morning.

Nothing written here or anywhere else swayed me.

It doesn't matter if you're Yes or No, vote. It's going to be a close one.

duvie

09-21-2020 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Poss (Post 3133234)

if Kirby truly had the latitude, I think he would gamble with higher staffing. He does however, have a board whose job it is to ensure he does not step too far out of line. The board answers to Wall Street. And gamble of that magnitude would not be tolerated IMHO

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