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Kingslayer 09-22-2020 01:01 PM

The New Delta TA
 
THE NEW DELTA TA

• Voluntary Reduced Regular Line: this reduces the current guarantee from ---- to 80% the Average Line Value of a category. Also creates a line construction window for those on RRL -7.5 to +7.5 around that new guarantee (magically that new guarantee number is 52 hours as the lowest that it can be)

• Monthly blank lines will be bid monthly. They come with a seeded line guarantee of 25 hours, all vacation and training in a month with an MBL is paid on top of the guarantee of 25 hours (their version of add pay)

• Trip coverage ladder changed to allow the awarding of trip pick up so that a MBL pilot goes in the step on the coverage ladder just above an in base Greenslip (our equivalent of in base PPU)

• Pilot who has a MBL and has MLOA (Delta speak for Mil Leave) will not have his 25 hour guarantee reduced due to Mil Leave

• Ultra Long Call RSV. ULC RSV available for bidding, must bid it to be awarded it.

• Line guarantee of ULC RSV will be less than a regular RSV. Reg RSV guarantee is ALV (Average Line Value minus 2 hours, never to be less than 75). The ULC RSV guarantee will be 80% of the Reg RSV guarantee of any category. Example ALV = 77 hours. Reg RSV guarantee would be 75 hours. ULC RSV guarantee is 60 hours

• ULC has 24 hour callout from first attempt to contact by Crew Scheduling

• NO ULC RSV may be assigned SC

• Delta does not have FSB and thinks we are crazy to even have such a thing, so obviously no FSB for any RSV regular or ULC

• In a 30 day bid month ULC RSV gets 15 X days (Delta speak for days off)

• In a 31 day bid month ULC RSV gets 16 days X days (Delta speak for days off)

• Continuous 12 Month Blank Line Option. 35 hour guarantee with this, equals a 35 hour MPG with no obligation to pick up, but has full rights to pick up any time pilot desires. The 35 hour MPG would be the leading bucket if they had pay buckets.

• Any vacation or training in a month for a CBL pilot would be pay no credit which is Delta version of Add pay

• Military Leave on schedule from June 2021 thru June 30 2021if long term orders, up to a max of 1,095 days in that time frame will not count against a pilot’s cumulative 5 year URESSA limit

• No furlough agreement until Jan 1, 2021 for anyone hired before July 20, 2017 and the 220 most senior pilots hired after that date.

Gone Flying 09-22-2020 01:36 PM

This deal saves 220 pilots til 1/1/2021 and still leaves 1721 furloughs on Nov 1. Today our CEO and VP FLT OPS both said that we would have to lower hours worked per pilot to save the rest of the furloughs

levelhead 09-22-2020 01:39 PM

This Delta LOA is garbage. ~1700 can still be furloughed right now and the rest have a no furlough protection for until Jan 1st 2021.

TurbineDriver 09-22-2020 01:40 PM

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Gone Flying 09-22-2020 01:47 PM


Originally Posted by Kingslayer (Post 3134024)
THE NEW DELTA TA

• Line guarantee of ULC RSV will be less than a regular RSV. Reg RSV guarantee is ALV (Average Line Value minus 2 hours, never to be less than 75). The ULC RSV guarantee will be 80% of the Reg RSV guarantee of any category. Example ALV = 77 hours. Reg RSV guarantee would be 75 hours. ULC RSV guarantee is 60 hours

great summary of the LOA. I think our ultra long call reserve and 12 month blank like will be very popular. Only downside is the language in the LOA has a lot of “the company MAY offer” instead of “the company SHALL offer”. That was the same language used to justify not offering SILs back in April

only correction is our reserve guarantee is ALV-2 but not lower than 72, not 75.

m3113n1a1 09-22-2020 01:47 PM


Originally Posted by TurbineDriver (Post 3134050)
So it saves 220 jobs for only 2 month? Furloughs were delayed until Nov 1st anyways. How did the union think it was ok to settle for 25/35 hour lines when industry standard is 50? This whole thing seems like a huge letdown.

Well, for one thing it doesn't split the pilot group into 3 groups and make them fight each other.

It's also completely voluntary. And offers pilots some flexibility.

No furlough guarantees are a waste of time.

Gone Flying 09-22-2020 01:51 PM


Originally Posted by TurbineDriver (Post 3134050)
So it saves 220 jobs for only 2 month? Furloughs were delayed until Nov 1st anyways. How did the union think it was ok to settle for 25/35 hour lines when industry standard is 50? This whole thing seems like a huge letdown.

DL management has been a hard no on SILs. They doubled down today that they would not entertain the idea. The blank line language we got was actually better than I expected. Most of these are voluntary QOL improvements if people want them.

#240 sux

Ualhvyjet 09-22-2020 03:01 PM

ULC RSV nice concept. Here at UAL we agree to 4 reserve days off to be rolled.

Fredturbo 09-22-2020 07:03 PM

If UALs (and AA has something similar) Ta passes, thereby saving furloughs in large part to get running full steam once the virus passes, dal management will have to offer up something much more substantial to also keep from furloughing (and not missing out on a quick recovery). UALs Ta approval could bode very well for dalpa.

mmm123 09-22-2020 09:45 PM


Originally Posted by Fredturbo (Post 3134277)
If UALs (and AA has something similar) Ta passes, thereby saving furloughs in large part to get running full steam once the virus passes, dal management will have to offer up something much more substantial to also keep from furloughing (and not missing out on a quick recovery). UALs Ta approval could bode very well for dalpa.

I can't believe anyone here believes that running full steam once the virus passes. Our MEC has really sold that line to our pilots. Just like the fb united pilots page that jump s for joy every time someone counts 5 more people at the airport tsa line. I don't see that happening, the company doesn't see that happening, nobody sees that happening. Oh sorry except the mec selling this ta. Hey I hope I am dead wrong, but really don't think so.


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