Interesting quote from Scott Kirby today in Bloomberg:

“Right now, we’re flying about 45% of our schedule—we’re a smaller airline—and this is probably the size we’ll be for the next 15 months,” he explained

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...s?srnd=premium

 

are you honestly just realizing that a unionized DOH-based system is completely untethered from merit or the economy? Isn’t that why people hate “public unions” and “government waste”?

pick a lane bud

 

What are my lane choices? I usually follow the centerline (is that considered a lane?) but then that doesn't work so well when I'm driving, which is something I've been doing more of lately.

 

Mission completed. Division and union busted. Now when we furlough more than 2007 and the TA is gone, maybe we can scare them again.......no backbone amongst this pilot group. This place sucks.

 

I mean I didn’t think your analogy fit well at all. Half-baked at best, divisive at worst.

management’s job is to run the airline and attempt to make as much money as possible, in the purest capitalistic model. Ideally, they see the value (to their bottom line) of treating employees and customers well. The union’s job is to preserve the wages and QOL of its members, regardless of the value they offer to the company. Ideally they try to squeeze every dollar from the company they can, without actually restricting the company‘s ability to make that money.

So in this case, given that senior pilots are still given preference to junior pilots in every way possible (pay rates, MPG, equipment selection, trip selection, etc) isn’t the union acting in a more business friendly and capitalistic sense than normal, thus doing the opposite of what you were alluding to?

 

Ha, I did the same first year. I remember explaining it to one Captain in '97. My alimony and child support was 24K/year based on my old USAF pay and United was paying us I think $25/hour. He said you can't financially do that. Ah, but financially I did.

 

No one is forcing you to stay at United. You are more than welcome to leave and find a place that you feel does not suck. But, seeing as you are too fragile to go hack it in the real world without the pay protection afforded by a union enforced scheme, it's actually your lack of backbone that puts the pilot group in these situations in the first place.

 

take the EO and get gone by all means retire and do something that makes you happy.

this pilot group showed a huge amount of testicular fortitude this week. What you see as weakness I see as strength I’m extremely proud of this pilot group.

 

Florida opened its doors; let’s hope others follow!

Plus the election is around the corner.... hopefully we will see a turnaround regardless of the outcome!

 

lack of backbone? I was a solid no and trying to save a contract. Let me know in 10 years how this works out for you. Thankfully, I am gone in 7. 31 years of this place is enough. Watch and learn grasshopper how this turns out.