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MasterOfPuppets 10-20-2020 08:52 AM


Originally Posted by rvfanatic (Post 3147586)
No I couldn’t get Ewr 756 because I was displaced from that to Ewr 320. I’m in the June furlough cross hairs so it’s probably futile but it could improve furlough pay if I could hold WB pay. Just doesn’t seem realistic in this climate to get a pay raise so that’s why I’m so confused I think.

you were displaced out of EWR 756 and your displacement wasn’t canceled? But now you can hold it? Something doesn’t add up....if you can hold it now then they should have canceled your displacement which means you would not participate in the do over.

Did you volunteer out of EWR 756? If you did then it won’t be available because you could have kept it.

rvfanatic 10-20-2020 08:52 AM


Originally Posted by cadetdrivr (Post 3147587)
Yes.

This could not be any simpler: if you participate and pick any of your specific choices you WILL get it. If you prefer your current category then don't participate.

As others have mentioned above, everybody's choices on the "do over" are different based how the previous displacements played out. And because of that, only a subset of pilots are even eligible for the "do over" anyway.

Cool thanks! The list is showing SFO 787 on about 500 pilots. So if everyone selects that, they will just clean it up w a displacement bid later?

MasterOfPuppets 10-20-2020 08:56 AM


Originally Posted by cadetdrivr (Post 3147549)
Yup, and that could actually be a "bump game" strategy considering that on any subsequent displacement one can bump to whatever category one can hold and not just the choices on this do over.

It is going to be real risky to play the bump game. A lot of variables we don’t know.

how Understaffed is the 787?
they are augmenting with CAs so they will want to end that.
they are paying a ton of PP and they will want to end that.
they are paying WAY over min gurantee so they will want to end that.

all they have to do is drop FO LPA down to TA limits and they won’t have to displace that many. This will allow for them to run fewer vacancy bids and reduce training costs.

cadetdrivr 10-20-2020 08:57 AM


Originally Posted by rvfanatic (Post 3147590)
Cool thanks! The list is showing SFO 787 on about 500 pilots. So if everyone selects that, they will just clean it up w a displacement bid later?

Presumably, yes.

But don't bid it if it's not something you can live with.

MasterOfPuppets 10-20-2020 09:03 AM


Originally Posted by cadetdrivr (Post 3147595)
Presumably, yes.

But don't bid it if it's not something you can live with.

Im using your post as a jumping point.....

I wouldn’t bid the 787 just because LPAs are 85.....they don’t have to stay that way they could could very easily drop below 50.

rvfanatic 10-20-2020 09:13 AM


Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets (Post 3147589)
you were displaced out of EWR 756 and your displacement wasn’t canceled? But now you can hold it? Something doesn’t add up....if you can hold it now then they should have canceled your displacement which means you would not participate in the do over.

Did you volunteer out of EWR 756? If you did then it won’t be available because you could have kept it.

Sorry I may have stated it poorly. I was displaced from Ewr 756 to Ewr 320 and I can no longer hold Ewr 756, just 756 Den (which used to be senior).

JimLaheyTPS 10-20-2020 09:14 AM


Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets (Post 3147596)
Im using your post as a jumping point.....

I wouldn’t bid the 787 just because LPAs are 85.....they don’t have to stay that way they could could very easily drop below 50.

Great point to consider for those thinking they’ll crush 85 hours on the 787. That may not last much longer after this window closes.

Im bidding the 787 based off of what you said here. IF I actually keep it and get sent to fly the 787 and I’m making full reserve pay that’s great. However if they slash the LPA’s down to 50 or below and I’m off more during the month that works better for me.

pilot772 10-20-2020 09:49 AM


Originally Posted by rvfanatic (Post 3147586)
No I couldn’t get Ewr 756 because I was displaced from that to Ewr 320. I’m in the June furlough cross hairs so it’s probably futile but it could improve furlough pay if I could hold WB pay. Just doesn’t seem realistic in this climate to get a pay raise so that’s why I’m so confused I think.

Look at the junior Man matrix. You were displaced form 756 EWR and didn't have your displacement cancelled. Simply put you aren't senior enough to hold EWR 756 any more. DEN 756 had all their displacements cancelled and that BES had gone quite junior late last year (12400ish) same with SFO 787

jumping ship 10-20-2020 04:26 PM

I was displaced off the 756 but I was previously qual'd on the 737 within the 34 month window. I'm leaning towards keeping my displacement award of the 320 and forfeiting pay protection, mainly because I hope the 320 flight deck is much more enjoyable and a little more seniority in the 320. Anyone flown both and willing to compare the flight decks and FO workload? thanks!

Chuck D 10-20-2020 04:30 PM


Originally Posted by jumping ship (Post 3147789)
I was displaced off the 756 but I was previously qual'd on the 737 within the 34 month window. I'm leaning towards keeping my displacement award of the 320 and forfeiting pay protection, mainly because I hope the 320 flight deck is much more enjoyable and a little more seniority in the 320. Anyone flown both and willing to compare the flight decks and FO workload? thanks!


uhhhhhh.... FO workload, who cares? Flight deck: Airbus by a country mile. Trip selection: YMMV


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