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duvie 02-11-2021 05:03 AM


Originally Posted by Broccoli Rob (Post 3193587)
I'm just wondering how they're going to ensure that someone landing in a neighborhood isn't going to land on a car or a person. Air taxis are probably an eventual reality, but I'm curious to see if they could really get this thing approved by the FAA in the next three years. You're talking about a whole new set of regulations and safety rules. Unless they put something like a heliport in the middle of a neighborhood, kind of like a park n ride lot where everyone could drive to it. I guess that'd still be better than driving to the airport. It'll be interesting to see how they pull it off of it ever gets that far.

I think the real constraint/application Will be in places that don’t actually have good straight line infrastructure from point A to point B (say the airport). In suburbs, I think the rise of self driving cars that can coordinate with all of the traffic on the road, thus allowing for average trip speeds to increase to 40 mph +, will be more realistic and efficient using our current infrastructure. But in places like Manhattan, Washington DC or San Francisco Bay area, where pieces of water prevent straight lines driving, air travel makes sense.

So, to your point, these more specialized/restricted areas will probably have dedicated VTOL ports, but I would doubt this will pop up in every little suburb.

MOGuy 02-11-2021 05:07 AM


Originally Posted by Grumble (Post 3193319)
How do you think they paid for it?

☝️.......true or not it better they better make money and not lose any off this investment.

Half wing 02-11-2021 05:41 AM

Face meet palm. The chances of a United passenger riding on anything close to this in the next 20 years is zero. Dreams are important though. That probably is at the crux of it, mainly PR.

Airhoss 02-11-2021 05:45 AM


Originally Posted by Half wing (Post 3193644)
Face meet palm. The chances of a United passenger riding on anything close to this in the next 20 years is zero. Dreams are important though. That probably is at the crux of it, mainly PR.

This whole thing is nothing more than virtue signaling.

Seneca Pilot 02-11-2021 05:50 AM


Originally Posted by Airhoss (Post 3193648)
This whole thing is nothing more than virtue signaling.


Not sure about that. The first airline that can combine local transportation to the airport (eliminating the time and cost of getting to the airport and parking fees) with the total trip and include it in a single ticket purchase might have a huge advantage over the competition.

Winston 02-11-2021 05:55 AM


Originally Posted by Airhoss (Post 3193648)
This whole thing is nothing more than virtue signaling.

Had the same thought. Probably gives some of the more Green New Deal-promoting Members of Congress psychological cover when voting to send another $14B to an industry that by necessity involves spewing tons of carbon into the upper atmosphere.

Airhoss 02-11-2021 05:59 AM


Originally Posted by Seneca Pilot (Post 3193652)
Not sure about that. The first airline that can combine local transportation to the airport (eliminating the time and cost of getting to the airport and parking fees) with the total trip and include it in a single ticket purchase might have a huge advantage over the competition.

Didn’t Pan Am have helicopter service from large metro areas to airports back in the day?

Guppydriver95 02-11-2021 06:01 AM


Originally Posted by Seneca Pilot (Post 3193652)
Not sure about that. The first airline that can combine local transportation to the airport (eliminating the time and cost of getting to the airport and parking fees) with the total trip and include it in a single ticket purchase might have a huge advantage over the competition.

do you think that people who can afford a helicopter to the airport are going to ride commercial? Our first class pax are largely free upgrades. A very small % actually buy the seat. Coach folks- no way. So how big is the market really going to be? After reading all the info, I’m inclined to believe the PR/virtue signaling arguments. The business side just doesn’t seem plausible, at least not for a looooooong time.

Seneca Pilot 02-11-2021 06:05 AM


Originally Posted by Airhoss (Post 3193662)
Didn’t Pan Am have helicopter service from large metro areas to airports back in the day?


Yes. They had rooftop heliports in NY city.

Seneca Pilot 02-11-2021 06:09 AM


Originally Posted by Guppydriver95 (Post 3193665)
do you think that people who can afford a helicopter to the airport are going to ride commercial? Our first class pax are largely free upgrades. A very small % actually buy the seat. Coach folks- no way. So how big is the market really going to be? After reading all the info, I’m inclined to believe the PR/virtue signaling arguments. The business side just doesn’t seem plausible, at least not for a looooooong time.


It would be largely business and first classes I am sure. Not all wealthy individuals own private planes. Many don't see the need or fly enough to make the numbers work.


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