That's some funny schise right there

Did the Fed money guarantee pay rate protection?
Did the Fed money cancel displacements?
Did the Fed money increase LTD?
Did the Fed money provide FC DH?
Did the FED money provide unlimited 90 day COLAs?

The very best case scenario for us was to take exactly one month of reduced guarantee to ensure we received all of the permanent benefits. That is what happened.


Another thing, that a lot of people on here talk about is the three groups and the haves and have nots. You know who is a have not when we do nothing? The guys who lose their damn jobs. The guys who get downgraded and forced to commute across country. Doing nothing is as much of a choice as doing something. We have both AA and our flight attendants to compare ourselves to both look poor.


To the guy talking about Vacation, I'm not sure what you're on about.

Pay rate protection or vote buying?

Canceling displacements saves training expense and is financially beneficial by having pilots in seats for future needs.

LTD still industry substandard when compared to peers and delayed for one year.

FC Dh on record as being cheaper for company than Dh in ECON

COLAs financially benefit who?

All of these so called gains are for a contract 2+ years passed the amendable date. A contract that was essentially down to sections 1 and 3. How many of these supposedly LOA gains were already agreed to in section 6 and we’re essentially paying for it twice?

Comparing our position to flight attendants isn’t even applies to oranges. It’s more like Ron Jeremy to the Dalai Lama when you consider expenses to furlough (many of which were contractual and thrown out the window) and requal requirements.

From the "guy talking about vacation", of course you don't. You don't know that part of the contract and our MEC decided not to tell us about that little nugget in the LOA because it went against their sales job. Now I didn't catch on right away either but after it was explained to me and I ran the numbers it was obvious this was the "give" in the LOA.

During the LOA debate, I took the time to lay out a vacation month compensation example in a lengthy post here on APC. (please go back and look for reference)

In your defense, our compensation IS needlessly complex but many of us are losing pay with no change in hours worked during vacation months. Fact. Period. The MEC knew this and decided not to bring it up. That is why I voted NO. Now to have people going around spouting about a pay raise? Really? I can work the same number of hours as last year and under the LOA my pay would go down. That is a pay cut. I can absolutely understand why some would vote YES on this LOA, but don't simplify (not directed at Readyrsv) us NO voters as greedy, heartless people. I did my research on this LOA and made an informed decision.

but but but... my private area still hurts. Trust me... save your breath and ignore the white noise haters.

First class is cheaper than economy? Oh look who it is, not debating you.

Look, I know it sucks to out of power, angry, wrong and unimportant. Maybe try model boat building.

20 years from now someone will be complaining about the one month they had 9 hours less pay, while picking up their new boat. lol.

I'm ready to move on!

The flip side of the coin will be if the low value lines come back. The lower 1/3 who otherwise would have been furloughed will be complaining about how all of the senior pilots scoop every available trip to get their hours back to normal values while the junior get stuck with 35 hour lines and no hope of picking up flights.

Why don’t you ask your union savior. He’s the one who said it when running for office. The issue acquiring it wasn’t the cost benefit.

I’ve had a similar schedule & been grateful for it. The fact that I’ve been making 73 hours/month through it all I owe to multiple rounds of federal bailout dollars is my only point.