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03-29-2021, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by DNicolas

Anyone know how many “Poolies” there are?

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I don’t know the number but I was an early December interview and was not in class when COVID hit. On this thread or another one there was a March interview poolie who checked in. So, there could be quite a lot (December through early March).

After the words “soon” and “pretty quickly” on the NGPA thing I am anxiously awaiting to hear, just like you all.

03-29-2021, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by DNicolas

Thanks and will do. I have heard they are calling poolies and asking them to correct their apps. They recently altered the amendment questions. Glad I checked mine. Yes, they have extended the timetable to our benefit which is great. About every two months they send us an update with lots of information always keeping it very positive. It’s a very classy move and I for one, greatly appreciate it.

Hope to be on property soon and start training. It’s been a long wait. Though, keeping positive and staying proficient and current in my aircraft that I fly now.

Best of luck to the others, stay strong!

By the way, what changed in the amendment part of the app? Thx

06-28-2021, 03:19 PM

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Profitable again. What happens to the LOA?

06-28-2021, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Flydafe

Profitable again. What happens to the LOA?

Nothing yet, but by my watch it should already have been terminated after the 76-seat trigger.

06-28-2021, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ThumbsUp

Nothing yet, but by my watch it should already have been terminated after the 76-seat trigger.

The MEC doesn't want to terminate the LOA because they don't want the pay protected pilots to lose their pay protection carve out.

06-29-2021, 04:31 AM

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Profitable again. What happens to the LOA?

We need to post a profit in 2 consecutive quarters to terminate. Also, I believe the verbiage was that we posted a “pre-tax earnings profit”. Someone savvier than me may be able to clarify, but that sounds to me like exciting corporate speak for “still losing money”. Not sure if that would even qualify as a termination trigger.

06-29-2021, 05:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Birddog

The MEC doesn't want to terminate the LOA because they don't want the pay protected pilots to lose their pay protection carve out.

Also, aren't the Empty Line and guaranteed 3-month COLAs also dependent on the LOA staying in force? Those provisions are still be used by many pilots.

06-29-2021, 08:42 AM

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Also, aren't the Empty Line and guaranteed 3-month COLAs also dependent on the LOA staying in force? Those provisions are still be used by many pilots.

Empty lines---no, 3 month COLAs---yes, but keeping the pandemic LOA is all about the pay protection carveout. Ask your rep.

Rumor on the street is the MEC doesn't like Empty Lines anymore so that LOA is going to be terminated.

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06-29-2021, 08:47 AM

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Also, aren't the Empty Line and guaranteed 3-month COLAs also dependent on the LOA staying in force? Those provisions are still be used by many pilots.

According to a PDR, the company is under no obligation to offer them as they are a temporary provision, but obviously is still doing so while it makes sense to. Although the question I asked pertained particularly to the 3-month COLA.

06-29-2021, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Birddog

Empty lines---no, 3 month COLAs---not sure.

Maybe I'm confused.

SRLs are in the UPA, the LOA just expanded how they could be used. The expanded flexibility in SRLs will go away with the LOA but the option from straight 50hr SRLs will remain.

I don't think either Empty Line or the guaranteed 3-month COLAs with benefits at active-pilot rates is in the UPA. Those are in the LOA and will go away when the LOA terminates.

What do I have wrong?