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Bestglide 04-06-2021 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets (Post 3217830)
that’s just 5000 pilots through Aviate.

Aviation is very forgiving...no need to hire the most qualified.....what can go wrong?

Airhoss 04-06-2021 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by okawner (Post 3217827)
That's just at the flight school. Article states a total target of 10K new hires by 2030.

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Remember according to UAL we were going to have 17,000 pilots on property by 2019. These predictions are always 100% correct.

Varsity 04-06-2021 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by StopBeingWhimps (Post 3217782)
What the Hiring 300 pilots headline we saw last week should really say is... United hiring 300 black women pilots. If you are white and a male, dont even bother applying. United wants to help racism with racism. Unbelievable! It's amazing how far we have come as a society. We used to hire based on experience and qualifications.

Two thoughts come to mind;

1. The USA is becoming a silly nation. The banana republic kind where corruption runs rampant and nothing gets done.

2. China is going to kick our ass.

Vernon Demerest 04-06-2021 02:54 PM

As a white male, I’ve spent the last 22 years flying with 99 % white males. I’ve run out of things to talk about and welcome the diversity this might bring to a flight deck I’m a member of. As long as they are qualified to be in the seat, being them on. The difficult part of this ambitious goal (at least 2500 non white males trained/placed at United Express carriers and ultimately United Airlines over the next 10 years) is finding those individuals and steering them in our direction (through Aviate). We won’t be the only carrier trying to attract these underrepresented future pilots. I hope our Aviate group is looking into junior high visits etc where career decisions are often formed because we are really going to need a ton of interest in order to see 2,500 success stories in ten years.

Over the years I’ve noticed a trend. During boarding, young people (age 6-15) traveling with their parents may or may not be interested in stopping by the flight deck for a quick tour and pic and their parents often direct the interest. White parents are far more prone to nudge their kid into the cockpit for a tour. I’ve noticed several parents that were non-white smile at my offer but say things like “he/she doesn’t need to be up there bothering you, or are you serious?” Non- white people don’t often know pilots personally and therefore aren’t as comfortable walking into a strange work environment while a larger percentage of whites do know or have airline pilots in their lives and feel more comfortable interacting with them in this setting. A cockpit visit confirmed my desire to do this for a living. I was around 6.

StallWeezy 04-06-2021 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Vernon Demerest (Post 3217881)
As a white male, I’ve spent the last 22 years flying with 99 % white males. I’ve run out of things to talk about....I hope our Aviate group is looking into junior high visits etc where career decisions are often formed.

I’ll take the obvious flame bait here and just say you’re gonna be really underwhelmed at the lack of new and exciting things to talk about.

Junior high, really?

Vernon Demerest 04-06-2021 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by StallWeezy (Post 3217892)
I’ll take the obvious flame bait here and just say you’re gonna be really underwhelmed at the lack of new and exciting things to talk about.

Junior high, really?


Junior high is a good time to warn kids about maintaining a clean record etc. Not necessarily a discussion on academics

MochaSwirl 04-06-2021 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Vernon Demerest (Post 3217881)
As a white male, I’ve spent the last 22 years flying with 99 % white males. I’ve run out of things to talk about and welcome the diversity this might bring to a flight deck I’m a member of. As long as they are qualified to be in the seat, being them on. The difficult part of this ambitious goal (at least 2500 non white males trained/placed at United Express carriers and ultimately United Airlines over the next 10 years) is finding those individuals and steering them in our direction (through Aviate). We won’t be the only carrier trying to attract these underrepresented future pilots. I hope our Aviate group is looking into junior high visits etc where career decisions are often formed because we are really going to need a ton of interest in order to see 2,500 success stories in ten years.

So someone please tell me, what the big deal is?

Nobody is trying to combat racism with racism and is a foolish thought to think of.

As Vernon said 99% of the people he works with are black.

3% of commercial pilots are black, hell 1% consist of women, and 7% Hispanic, so GOD forbid we add a little diversity into the mix so as long as they’re qualified!

Nobody said anything about lowering standards , and I wouldn’t be surprised if someone even took offense to that statement either, because it seems as though that due to the fact that one is a person of color they must be less qualified to hold the position at hand.

I bet if one said “I didn’t get the job because I’m black/asian/latino” one would be up in arms about that too saying “Don’t bring up, the race card”

Well boom, they’re qualified some more than qualified,and it just so happens airlines are trying to be more diverse.

Last I checked, there’s still a stigma about black people, if there wasn’t one wouldnt of mentioned anything about “lowering standards”.

They have to pass the same checkrides you do, go through the same training as you do and follow procedures as you.

It’s funny when I see posts like this because some of you act like you have a chip on your shoulder because you think a lesbian, Asian, Jamaican, woman took your job.

All the while 90%+ consist of Caucasian males.

End of the day if you have some crap to say in regards to welcoming diversity to qualified individuals no matter, what race, gender, or creed you just sound sad.

Vent on here I guess, because you never would do it in front of them because you’d scatter like roaches and we’d all be hearing crickets.

Vernon Demerest 04-06-2021 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by MochaSwirl (Post 3217902)
So someone please tell me, what the big deal is?

Nobody is trying to combat racism with racism and is a foolish thought to think of.

As Vernon said 99% of the people he works with are black.

3% of commercial pilots are black, hell 1% consist of women, and 7% Hispanic, so GOD forbid we add a little diversity into the mix so as long as they’re qualified!

Nobody said anything about lowering standards , and I wouldn’t be surprised if someone even took offense to that statement either, because it seems as though that due to the fact that one is a person of color they must be less qualified to hold the position at hand.

I bet if one said “I didn’t get the job because I’m black/asian/latino” one would be up in arms about that too saying “Don’t bring up, the race card”

Well boom, they’re qualified some more than qualified,and it just so happens airlines are trying to be more diverse.

Last I checked, there’s still a stigma about black people, if there wasn’t one wouldnt of mentioned anything about “lowering standards”.

They have to pass the same checkrides you do, go through the same training as you do and follow procedures as you.

It’s funny when I see posts like this because some of you act like you have a chip on your shoulder because you think a lesbian, Asian, Jamaican, woman took your job.

All the while 90%+ consist of Caucasian males.

End of the day if you have some crap to say in regards to welcoming diversity to qualified individuals no matter, what race, gender, or creed you just sound sad.

Vent on here I guess, because you never would do it in front of them because you’d scatter like roaches and we’d all be hearing crickets.


If your post is in reference to mine that you have quoted, I suggest you re-read it.

Softpayman 04-06-2021 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Vernon Demerest (Post 3217881)
As a white male, I’ve spent the last 22 years flying with 99 % white males. I’ve run out of things to talk about and welcome the diversity this might bring to a flight deck I’m a member of. As long as they are qualified to be in the seat, being them on. The difficult part of this ambitious goal (at least 2500 non white males trained/placed at United Express carriers and ultimately United Airlines over the next 10 years) is finding those individuals and steering them in our direction (through Aviate). We won’t be the only carrier trying to attract these underrepresented future pilots. I hope our Aviate group is looking into junior high visits etc where career decisions are often formed because we are really going to need a ton of interest in order to see 2,500 success stories in ten years.

Over the years I’ve noticed a trend. During boarding, young people (age 6-15) traveling with their parents may or may not be interested in stopping by the flight deck for a quick tour and pic and their parents often direct the interest. White parents are far more prone to nudge their kid into the cockpit for a tour. I’ve noticed several parents that were non-white smile at my offer but say things like “he/she doesn’t need to be up there bothering you, or are you serious?” Non- white people don’t often know pilots personally and therefore aren’t as comfortable walking into a strange work environment while a larger percentage of whites do know or have airline pilots in their lives and feel more comfortable interacting with them in this setting. A cockpit visit confirmed my desire to do this for a living. I was around 6.

Why don’t you give up your job so that an extra new hire fitting this profile could be hired to replace you?

MochaSwirl 04-06-2021 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Vernon Demerest (Post 3217908)
If your post is in reference to mine that you have quoted, I suggest you re-read it.

No, it wasn’t. I’m in agreement with what you said.


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