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I apologize for butchering that.
You seemed offended at OOfff saying United's goals would inspire minority youth and young women. I also think United's goals would inspire minority youth and young women. I referenced the Tuskegee Airmen as an example from the past where youth may have been inspired by pilots who looked like them. Your post about Micheal Jordan and Tiger Woods made it appear that you disagree with OOfff about what inspires young people. OOfff's post seemed to talk about inspiring people to work at United, and you jumped to racism and saying Micheal Jordan was your role model. |
Originally Posted by OOfff
(Post 3220081)
These are the words of someone who had role models that looked like them.
I just don't buy the argument that someone has to look my skin color in order for me to do their job. This is 2021, we should be beyond pettiness like this. Another thing, in our culture pilots just aren't thought of being the rock stars that some might think they are. A pilot job doesn't technically require a degree, most know that, and in our culture this bias is established. It doesn't matter if you are making six figures flying Airbus or Boeing. An example, my degree is in engineering. My family and I were at a wedding and my father was introducing us kids to some other friends. When it came to my turn, he said here is my second son and he's, uh, his background is in engineering. And then moved on to the next son. In some cultures, showing you're educated is more important than telling someone you're just a pilot. Of course later in private I talked to my father and called him on it, that next time you should introduce me and then say what my job is, not my degree. Growing up, both my parents were against me becoming an airline pilot. Father thought after 9/11 people that looked like us wouldn't be hired, mother thought it was too dangerous. The biggest obstacle I faced was never white men in aviation. It was family, people who looked like me, and convincing them that this IS what I want to do and that I do want to do it. In the end, father did support me and both parents are proud. But it took a lot of convincing, begging, etc. Lastly as a minority, I do think the anger against white men, white privilege, all of it, needs to be toned down. I'm seeing the country be torn with these self-created (largely, media created) race divisions. |
Beatnavy needs a hobby
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
(Post 3221268)
I'm seeing the country be torn with these self-created (largely, media created combined with people too stupid to think for themselves) race divisions.
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
(Post 3221268)
I don't buy this. I'm a minority immigrant to this country and growing up every time we flew as a kid, I always tried to stop at the end of the flight to see the flight deck. It was always white male men, and guess what, every single one was receptive and made me believe I could do it. When I told an Airtran crew I was a student pilot (later in my teens), they let me sit in the seat and program the FMS (of course told me what to push). I never needed to see a brown guy up there to know that I could do it.
I just don't buy the argument that someone has to look my skin color in order for me to do their job. This is 2021, we should be beyond pettiness like this. Another thing, in our culture pilots just aren't thought of being the rock stars that some might think they are. A pilot job doesn't technically require a degree, most know that, and in our culture this bias is established. It doesn't matter if you are making six figures flying Airbus or Boeing. An example, my degree is in engineering. My family and I were at a wedding and my father was introducing us kids to some other friends. When it came to my turn, he said here is my second son and he's, uh, his background is in engineering. And then moved on to the next son. In some cultures, showing you're educated is more important than telling someone you're just a pilot. Of course later in private I talked to my father and called him on it, that next time you should introduce me and then say what my job is, not my degree. Growing up, both my parents were against me becoming an airline pilot. Father thought after 9/11 people that looked like us wouldn't be hired, mother thought it was too dangerous. The biggest obstacle I faced was never white men in aviation. It was family, people who looked like me, and convincing them that this IS what I want to do and that I do want to do it. In the end, father did support me and both parents are proud. But it took a lot of convincing, begging, etc. Lastly as a minority, I do think the anger against white men, white privilege, all of it, needs to be toned down. I'm seeing the country be torn with these self-created (largely, media created) race divisions. |
Truth
Originally Posted by ShyGuy
(Post 3221268)
I don't buy this. I'm a minority immigrant to this country and growing up every time we flew as a kid, I always tried to stop at the end of the flight to see the flight deck. It was always white male men, and guess what, every single one was receptive and made me believe I could do it. When I told an Airtran crew I was a student pilot (later in my teens), they let me sit in the seat and program the FMS (of course told me what to push). I never needed to see a brown guy up there to know that I could do it.
I just don't buy the argument that someone has to look my skin color in order for me to do their job. This is 2021, we should be beyond pettiness like this. Another thing, in our culture pilots just aren't thought of being the rock stars that some might think they are. A pilot job doesn't technically require a degree, most know that, and in our culture this bias is established. It doesn't matter if you are making six figures flying Airbus or Boeing. An example, my degree is in engineering. My family and I were at a wedding and my father was introducing us kids to some other friends. When it came to my turn, he said here is my second son and he's, uh, his background is in engineering. And then moved on to the next son. In some cultures, showing you're educated is more important than telling someone you're just a pilot. Of course later in private I talked to my father and called him on it, that next time you should introduce me and then say what my job is, not my degree. Growing up, both my parents were against me becoming an airline pilot. Father thought after 9/11 people that looked like us wouldn't be hired, mother thought it was too dangerous. The biggest obstacle I faced was never white men in aviation. It was family, people who looked like me, and convincing them that this IS what I want to do and that I do want to do it. In the end, father did support me and both parents are proud. But it took a lot of convincing, begging, etc. Lastly as a minority, I do think the anger against white men, white privilege, all of it, needs to be toned down. I'm seeing the country be torn with these self-created (largely, media created) race divisions. |
Originally Posted by ShyGuy
(Post 3221268)
I don't buy this. I'm a minority immigrant to this country and growing up every time we flew as a kid, I always tried to stop at the end of the flight to see the flight deck. It was always white male men, and guess what, every single one was receptive and made me believe I could do it. When I told an Airtran crew I was a student pilot (later in my teens), they let me sit in the seat and program the FMS (of course told me what to push). I never needed to see a brown guy up there to know that I could do it.
I just don't buy the argument that someone has to look my skin color in order for me to do their job. This is 2021, we should be beyond pettiness like this. Another thing, in our culture pilots just aren't thought of being the rock stars that some might think they are. A pilot job doesn't technically require a degree, most know that, and in our culture this bias is established. It doesn't matter if you are making six figures flying Airbus or Boeing. An example, my degree is in engineering. My family and I were at a wedding and my father was introducing us kids to some other friends. When it came to my turn, he said here is my second son and he's, uh, his background is in engineering. And then moved on to the next son. In some cultures, showing you're educated is more important than telling someone you're just a pilot. Of course later in private I talked to my father and called him on it, that next time you should introduce me and then say what my job is, not my degree. Growing up, both my parents were against me becoming an airline pilot. Father thought after 9/11 people that looked like us wouldn't be hired, mother thought it was too dangerous. The biggest obstacle I faced was never white men in aviation. It was family, people who looked like me, and convincing them that this IS what I want to do and that I do want to do it. In the end, father did support me and both parents are proud. But it took a lot of convincing, begging, etc. Lastly as a minority, I do think the anger against white men, white privilege, all of it, needs to be toned down. I'm seeing the country be torn with these self-created (largely, media created) race divisions. |
Originally Posted by Brit43
(Post 3221396)
I agree 100 percent. As a minority interested in the field of aviation my parents were the biggest barrier to overcome. Like you said, my dad thought being a pilot was low paying and my mom thought it was dangerous and unstable ( there's some truth to that). Nonetheless, it took my parents over two years to fully support my dreams. I'll start flight training this upcoming fall and I'm very excited. My school is partnered with delta propel and that's something I'm looking into. I want to be a pilot because I love flying and lifestyle of aviation, not because the airlines need more female and minority pilots. I'm still going to work hard as anyone else and do whatever it takes to reach my goal.
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Originally Posted by Cyborgmudhen
(Post 3217758)
Ima just leave this right here:
https://www.chicagotribune.com/busin...d44-story.html Interesting article. Businesses are instruments of profit for shareholders. There is no pilot shortage, just an unwillingness to compensate an employee for their value. I wonder how regional pilots are going to feel when they try to apply to United via airline apps with a 4 yr STEM degree, clean PRIA and 1000+hrs Part 121 PIC only to find that another woman or person of color who posts YouTube videos of their journey through United Flight school with “passing” results and no degree gets a job ahead of them. Only reason pilots put up with regional pay is to move onto a higher paying legacy job. When you start telling hard working pilots that people are jumping the line ahead of them due to the color of their skin or gender, you might have a problem. Regionals think they had a hiring problem prior to the pandemic. I can tell you, it will be a lot worse if pilots are not getting a fair chance when applying to a legacy. There is already cultural diversity within flying, you don’t have to force it. |
Originally Posted by propellere
(Post 3221509)
Interesting article. Businesses are instruments of profit for shareholders. There is no pilot shortage, just an unwillingness to compensate an employee for their value. I wonder how regional pilots are going to feel when they try to apply to United via airline apps with a 4 yr STEM degree, clean PRIA and 1000+hrs Part 121 PIC only to find that another woman or person of color who posts YouTube videos of their journey through United Flight school with “passing” results and no degree gets a job ahead of them.
Only reason pilots put up with regional pay is to move onto a higher paying legacy job. When you start telling hard working pilots that people are jumping the line ahead of them due to the color of their skin or gender, you might have a problem. Regionals think they had a hiring problem prior to the pandemic. I can tell you, it will be a lot worse if pilots are not getting a fair chance when applying to a legacy. There is already cultural diversity within flying, you don’t have to force it. |
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