Marlon Green had to take up the discriminatory actions of the airlines to the Supreme Court. Without his triumph the airline industry would be much different than it is today.
https://www.airspacemag.com/daily-pl...een-130856580/

As far as the issues of the fear of lowering standards my counter to all that hogwash are the multiple case studies of plane crashes accidents and incidents that happened before the major diversity pushes by the industry.

It would be interesting to see the resume stats of minority hires vs other. AA came out last year and said that a minority requires 500 hrs less PIC to be highly competitive at their OBAP presentation. They placed a numerical value on it. At the regionals a overall seniority list is visible, it showed minority pilots getting hired very junior. Very obvious. Less experienced, trained, and educated.

Maybe those minority pilots at the regional level got hired during the hiring boom when everyone on that level was looking for pilots? Maybe they were overall better candidates and interviewed well.

As far as AA saying what you specified if you cannot provide them saying it then it is hearsay and not reliable. I am willing to wager that there are hundreds of stories at the mainline level of pilots who were hired because their father or uncle worked there and they pulled strings to get them in a class despite not meeting the competitive standards. Before HR stepped in and changed the way airlines hired many had someone who worked there walk then in to the chief pilot’s office, introduce them and get their application pulled. It was a gentleman’s game and a good ol boy system. Still happened before the pandemic hit. Had someone on that side willing to do it for me. The gatekeepers are still there. So in light of the news to train young people to be pilots I have no issue with it and don’t see why there is the need to feel threatened by it.

1) It would be interesting to see the resume stats of minority hires vs other.

Are you HR? Have you seen reviewed the resumes of the minority pilots at AA ? From this statement it seems you haven’t seen these resumes, hence how do you have any Idea of their experience.

2) AA came out last year and said that a minority requires 500 hrs less PIC to be highly competitive at their OBAP presentation.

a) Did you attend this presentation? If not, where did you get this info and how did you vet it.

b) Were these applicants any less “qualified”than other applicants? Note: Once you meet the minimum requirements you are a “qualified” applicant. Once you complete training and IOE you are a “qualified” pilot. Finally, to be clear experience is NOT measured in flight hours.

3) At the regionals a overall seniority list is visible, it showed minority pilots getting hired very junior. Very obvious.

Sorry this sentence structure makes no sense, linguistically, logically, or practically. Please rework your thoughts.

4) Less experienced, trained, and educated.

Unclear how you can reached this conclusion based on your previous statements. See #3

I know these forums are public, based on these statements, it is doubtful you are an airline pilot.

Hearsay? Thousand people heard it live stream. Stream recording is up on their website. This shows there is not much competitive diversity hires left. This picture sums up what people are complaining about I think.

https://i.ibb.co/K6jNvGf/A7885-C46-1...2-DA14-A74.jpg

Professional Aviation is "professional" in nature.

Now we have to have "equally definitive" conversations.........

You may like Pepsi, and I may prefer Cokeacola. Our experiences may not be equally definitive, nor equally anything. They may be "subjective" experiences.

Put your blind fold on. That's what lady justice does. When pilots are selected their "airmanship" should be evaluated first and foremost. That entire evaluation has both objective and subjective criteria to it. The HR department is not in a position to judge either one of those aspects of airmanship.

We're evaluating the wrong stuff.
We're prioritizing the wrong stuff for evaluating the stuff we do evaluate.
It's like we're testing people on gender and racially biased nuclear dance theory and what's really important is that this is actually just an aviation class.

Bring back the simulator evaluations with the crusty old senior Captain running the show. Enough of this crap.

why does a minority candiate require 500 hrs less pic time?

The presentation said the pool of them is dry. They must reach further down.

You need to Think again!

I am confused...

Reach further down to where exactly........?

Once you've reached down to the bottom you have only two choices.
1. Lower the standards
2. Re-evaluate (reconsider) those that you already passed on and apply new criteria (new standards)

I guess there really is a third option...Pre-select based on bias - standards be damned.

If the EEOC lawsuit in 1987 was a big deal (and it was). Wait til the next round. Wait til all the reverse discrimination suits start coming. You can't legally do any of this crap. ALPA should start handing out CRAP bag tags with a big red X on them.

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