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Oletimer 04-16-2021 12:28 PM

That silly video was pretty degrading.
Love that 320 FO next to the red Ferrari. How cool is that? Been in this business 30 years, still no wicked cool super car.

I better call Super Car Blondie to remedy that.

Air India has more female pilots I believe in case UAL HR is counting.

Oletimer 04-16-2021 12:30 PM


Originally Posted by Flydafe (Post 3222566)
“Despite an industry slump that has seen mass pilot lay-offs, the global civil aviation industry will still require an estimated 27,000 new pilotsby the end of 2021, or 264,000 over the coming decade. ... Age-based retirement and fleet growth were, and are expected to remain, the main drivers of pilot demand.”Nov 9, 2020

if anyone wants to come to this profession they can come and compete for the training, for the hiring, and for the profession. No special gender biased/racial preference programs are required or needed.

John Carr 04-16-2021 12:39 PM


Originally Posted by detpilot (Post 3222542)
Guess I'm the oddball. I thought it was pretty cool.

Make a hoe blush....

And some other colorful lyrics in the song.

Very empowering to women, which the whole “challenge” was about :eek:

biggun 04-16-2021 01:50 PM


Originally Posted by John Carr (Post 3222597)
Make a hoe blush....

And some other colorful lyrics in the song.

Very empowering to women, which the whole “challenge” was about :eek:

The lyrics were nuts. As in, no way in hell is my daughter going to listen to that crap.

I wonder if Adolf Hitler is going to gin up one of those cool videos where's he's having a delusional syphilis induced rage while standing about the table. Naturally he's enraged he can't hire enough women and minority pilots for the Luftwaffe.

His Generals and Field Marshals don't know where to find them. They can't find minority pilots. What to do?

Hitler won't stand for it. We must have an "Aviate-Luftwaffe Academy" Frauline-Fliegen-Minderheit-Luftwaffe-DeAcademy-En Avion

Cue the Hitler video..............

John Carr 04-16-2021 02:02 PM


Originally Posted by biggun (Post 3222635)
The lyrics were nuts. As in, no way in hell is my daughter going to listen to that crap.

I wonder if Adolf Hitler is going to gin up one of those cool videos where's he's having a delusional syphilis induced rage while standing about the table. Naturally he's enraged he can't hire enough women and minority pilots for the Luftwaffe.

His Generals and Field Marshals don't know where to find them. They can't find minority pilots. What to do?

Hitler won't stand for it. We must have an "Aviate-Luftwaffe Academy" Frauline-Fliegen-Minderheit-Luftwaffe-DeAcademy-En Avion

Cue the Hitler video..............

Thats actually brilliant.

I wonder what the one woman will say to the other when standing in the hallway 🤔

detpilot 04-16-2021 04:04 PM


Originally Posted by John Carr (Post 3222597)
Make a hoe blush....

And some other colorful lyrics in the song.

Very empowering to women, which the whole “challenge” was about :eek:


You guys sure are uptight. I didn't really care about the lyrics... Aside from "don't rush," they weren't all that clear anyway. I certainly didn't go Google them to go pick the song apart, line by line. But if that makes you happy, sure. What I noticed was, the song had a catchy beat that went with the very creative video. It was interesting and captured the idea of our colleagues dual lives at home and as United pilots. I especially liked the one where the lady appeared in uniform and kissed her daughters goodbye, the look on their faces reminds me of how my daughters look when I put mine on. I thought it was creative and interesting.



Originally Posted by biggun (Post 3222635)
The lyrics were nuts. As in, no way in hell is my daughter going to listen to that crap.

Lyrics nuts? I bet you'd explode if you heard an Eminem song. I'm sure your parents approved of all the music you listened to as an adolescent, right? Hopefully, my daughters will be able to hear a song like that while out and about and not be permanently corrupted... But, hey, you never know... right?

Seriously. A cute, creative video by our colleagues and you guys are fully "pitchforks out!" Kinda makes me glad we have an increasingly diverse pilot group, to be honest.

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hummingbear 04-16-2021 05:07 PM


Originally Posted by FlyPurdue (Post 3222406)
Speaking exclusively about the Aviate 0 —> Hero academy, how do we determine who is the most qualified for flight training?

This is my point. People here are talking like the airline is dragging the bottom of the barrel to come up with minority admissions. The reality is, some of us may have gotten into flight training with impressive resumes, but most of us were just inexperienced kids with an interest in flying and maybe a little potential. Going through the training & the industry was the process that separated those of us who wanted it most or had a little more aptitude from those who didn't. We can talk all day long about whether or to what extent corporations should be involved in creating this type of social footprint, but the idea that the airline can't diversify its zero > career ready training pool a little bit without putting a bunch of smoking holes in the ground is pretty regressive & obtuse, in my opinion.

biggun 04-16-2021 08:30 PM


Originally Posted by FlyPurdue (Post 3222406)
how do we determine who is the most qualified for flight training? This is not rhetorical. .

i think it's all just left up to HR. You know those super-pro's that have thousands of hours of flying...their desk.

They use the "situational interview" to judge talent.

Tell me about a time.....No, not in junior high. Now, tell me about a time...No, not in high school. Now, seriously tell me about a time....No, not in college. Like when you had a job. No, not about a time when you were waiting tables. Now, seriously, tell me about a time where you had to use leadership... No not at your frat house. How about a time where you had to communicate....No, not while you were umpiring a little league game. Now, seriously....

ThumbsUp 04-16-2021 09:08 PM


Originally Posted by hummingbear (Post 3222338)
Since this conversation keeps drifting to the idea of hiring minority pilots with reduced criteria, it bears repeating that the initiative in question is about finding minority candidates to include in the Aviate program that trains prospective candidates from zero to the career stage so that they arrive at that point equally qualified among their peers.

Hiring a woman with a wet ATP & poor flying skills over a dude w/ multiple engineering degrees & left seat heavy time has nothing to do with the Aviate diversity goal; but it is a much easier position to attack.

I also think you are missing the point that Aviate will require an application and whatever objective criteria that application will have will somehow have a stated goal of producing 50% minority/female pilots.

ThumbsUp 04-16-2021 09:09 PM


Originally Posted by Flydafe (Post 3222331)
It’s a new day my man. Just a few years ago the regionals couldn’t find enough applicants. Technology has really made the process more efficient. These kids are at home flying virtual airlines in A380s and triples in Virtual as well as augmented reality. Had one show me how to start the gpu. He was in his early teens. He didn’t know the flows but knew the General concepts. For them the whole set up is simplified because they were born in to technology. All us old heads need to do is mentor them when they sit in that right seat. Someone did it for us. We are tradesmen

”old heads” and “flight simulator on your desktop” generally don’t meet in time and space... sounds to me like you are much younger than what would be the average UAL new hire.


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