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Oletimer 04-17-2021 08:51 AM


Originally Posted by hummingbear (Post 3222893)
If United were accepting training candidates who did poorly on pilot aptitude tests, or other standardized indicators, I would have a HUGE problem with that. But that’s not what’s being discussed.

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Which standardized tests and metrics are they using?

Oletimer 04-17-2021 08:59 AM


Originally Posted by hummingbear (Post 3222893)
but the fact is, they will need to say yes to some and no to others. They have chosen to prioritize diversity in their selection process. Meaning 2,500 of those QUALIFIED candidates who get the yes will be women & minorities. (The verbiage on every official statement I’ve seen from UAL is VERY loose, and does not bind them to meet this metric if not enough qualified people apply.) .

That's not actually a fact. That's a supposition based on an illusion which was based on a possible premonition.

No one should be prioritizing "diversity" in a competitive landscape for any career, and in particular one that involves safety.

When you lift up "diversity" over other more direct qualifiers, and then you focus on making your diversity candidate "qualified" you end up lowering the standards. You don't see it because you are not a professional pilot. Also, you've never had to fail someone on a stage check, check ride. Likely you've never had to take the airplane from someone in a critical phase of flight.

All, and I mean (ALL) retired check airman and retired captains I have spoken to are very negative towards this approach. They have the experience and the judgment that is of a higher value than some HR persons. Many current instructors and check airman are just being quiet and aren't saying much. Gee I wonder why? The ones you know and know well and the ones you won't dare quote in front of someone else are less than enthusiastic.

This stuff won't work. Waste of my profit sharing. Yours too.

ThumbsUp 04-17-2021 09:02 AM


Originally Posted by hummingbear (Post 3222893)
If United were accepting training candidates who did poorly on pilot aptitude tests, or other standardized indicators, I would have a HUGE problem with that. But that’s not what’s being discussed.

Yes it is, but it’s like we’re living in different realities. If you stacked all of the candidates ordinally based on objective criteria, and then said we have 50 slots and anyone below this line is cut, you would not achieve a 50 percent minority acceptance goal historically. It’s only when performance is a secondary factor of the equation that you would achieve that.

Your argument seems to imply that accepting the best into Aviate is secondary to race and gender.

AAL763 04-17-2021 10:44 AM

Click Here for Video.
Most likely one of United’s newest hires. Haha

John Carr 04-17-2021 11:10 AM


Originally Posted by captive apple (Post 3222898)
That is the part i don’t understand. While he married into the royal bloodline shouldn’t he be a king?

Thats not relevant.

What IS relevant is wether or not the Dutchess is Sussex will be going into AVIATE?

Airhoss 04-17-2021 11:23 AM

So who is running checking/training standards at the flight school? Surely there will be a CCS message fishing for a director of training and standards for TK-Aviate division?

Maybe we can harvest some talent from the throngs of ex 787 training managers.

Huell 04-17-2021 12:24 PM


Originally Posted by hummingbear (Post 3222338)
Since this conversation keeps drifting to the idea of hiring minority pilots with reduced criteria, it bears repeating that the initiative in question is about finding minority candidates to include in the Aviate program that trains prospective candidates from zero to the career stage so that they arrive at that point equally qualified among their peers.

Hiring a woman with a wet ATP & poor flying skills over a dude w/ multiple engineering degrees & left seat heavy time has nothing to do with the Aviate diversity goal; but it is a much easier position to attack.

it worked for Meryl, Mary, and Shirley.
All were living breathing proof that you only need one pilot on the flight deck.

Airhoss 04-17-2021 12:37 PM


Originally Posted by Huell (Post 3222987)
it worked for Meryl, Mary, and Shirley.
All were living breathing proof that you only need one pilot on the flight deck.

Yeah..... Those three were perfect examples of why politics and optics have no place in the hiring department.

biggun 04-17-2021 12:40 PM


Originally Posted by John Carr (Post 3222956)
Thats not relevant.

What IS relevant is wether or not the Dutchess is Sussex will be going into AVIATE?

Clearly she's qualified. Minority plus female. Sign her up.

ERAUAV8TR 04-17-2021 01:49 PM


Originally Posted by AAL763 (Post 3222945)
Click Here for Video.
Most likely one of United’s newest hires. Haha

uh you didn’t ask hahahahahaha

she cracks me up I can’t stop laughing o m g

schools are now putting solos at the end of the curriculum...hopefully this isn’t true for her....wowzer


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