https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Test_o...viation_Skills

if anyone is truly interested in objective criteria to determine candidate suitability, the US government has already spent a fortune developing and implementing a test that will quickly and easily measure a candidate's aptitude for flight training. The TBAS is a significant part of the Air Force’s selection process for a reason: Washouts are costly. Shame the TBAS wasn’t available when Scott Kirby applied for Air Force pilot training, might have spared everyone the pain of washing him out.

For those wondering, Unlike politically correct social engineers in HR and corporate headquarters, the TBAS does not account for gender or ethnicity differences. Neither does the aircraft. It’s all fine and cute to go through a resume to find one’s volunteer activities and participation in the student body, but in the end someone has to actually land in gusty, white out, icy conditions.

Sure, there are many that would claim such tests are “racist“, or “sexist“. But I’m also sure they would be a little more selective if their family was on board that aircraft headed into Bozeman Montana at night in a snow storm.

I’m also quite certain these SJWs would consider the rand study equally “insensitive”.

https://www.rand.org/content/dam/ran...AND_RR1936.pdf

I'm personally appalled by the lack of female roofers and road workers. It is really unfair to women. Something must be done!

Do you feel better now that you've gotten that off of your chest?

Did it hurt your feelings that the very person that SHOULD know from experience that the highly challenging and potentially disastrous perils of flight training demands only the BEST qualified should be selected? Of all of the CEOs, Kirby is the only one that launched this program yet also the only one that was eliminated from Air Force pilot training. No doubt an extremely intelligent and competent individual, but not cut out for aviation. Not everyone is and if you’ve been in this business long enough, you would realize that and how tragically unforgiving it can be. He should know better.

With the looming pilot shortage and the alarming probability of street captains, what criteria was used for this decision that could impact not only his shareholders, but the safety of the flying public? Did this ambitious training program involve an objective skills/aptitude test (TBAS) other than skin color or gender? The military still uses standardized testing, I wonder why?
only a matter time before the social justice warriors get rid of that too.

While certainly vogue to discard all standardized testing and aptitude tests like SAT/ACT, as racist, perhaps we should draw the line we’re lives are at risk.

Curious how data driven, verifiable studies and statistics claim to be used to support critical decisions ...unless such data fails to suit ones personal social agenda.

Apologies to the sensitive, but these are deadly serious discussions that warrant adult conversation, not feel-good board room chat. I’m quite certain the experienced straight shooters at United ‘s training department were not invited to the discussion

It's been tried. USN Lt Kara Hultgreen paid the price.

"An Accuracy in Media article quotes CDR Tom Sobiek, commanding officer of Fighter Squadron VF-124, as saying of the four female pilots in his squadron, "The women are going to graduate regardless of how they performed" and "the Navy was in a race with the Air Force to get the first female fighter pilot". It quotes Sobiek denying making any such statement. "That is a flat [ass] lie," he said. "And whoever told you that, if they were under oath, should be taken to task."[11] Several of the instructors, however, testified to the contrary. During a subsequent interview with Mike Wallace of CBS "60 Minutes," Sobiek finally admitted that he had made statements that may have conveyed the impression that the women would not be allowed to fail. He added that some female pilots were advanced in combat aviation ahead of many men who were kept waiting or forced to resign."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kara_Hultgreen

https://www.nhd.org/sites/default/fi...ynlucente3.pdf

Time to clear Something Up
 

[QUOTE=tyler durden;3223328]Did it hurt your feelings that the very person that SHOULD know from experience that the highly challenging and potentially disastrous perils of flight training demands only the BEST qualified should be selected? Of all of the CEOs, Kirby is the only one that launched this program yet also the only one that was eliminated from Air Force pilot training. No doubt an extremely intelligent and competent individual, but not cut out for aviation. Not everyone is and if you’ve been in this business long enough, you would realize that and how tragically unforgiving it can be. He should know better.

Kirby never failed out of pilot training, actually. At charm school 2 years ago someone asked him to his face if he washed out, and he said that he never applied because he couldn't keep from throwing up while doing the gliders during the summer between semesters. He said he went to the academy thinking he wanted to be a pilot, but doing the glider thing helped him realize he wasn't cut out for it (vomiting) and then switched directions. Bebe was staring down the captain that asked, pretty funny stuff.

Source: Bebe

Not it all.
However it was irrelevant to the discussion, and came across as a sour-grapes personal attack. Like Scott or not, it was simply a cheap dig at him.

I love it some idiot thinks that SK is not cut out to make decisions because they think he washed out of pilot training (which sounds like it isnt true). Lets see, dude climbs to the top of the corporate latter, successfully navigates the worst crisis in aviation history, and we come out looking to be in a better position than nearly all of our competitors and first to hire.

I think you need to spend some time in self reflection and realize that our pilots run the gambit of intelligence. From flat earther anti vax stupidity to some serious professional intellectuals. SK clearly is at the top of his game, I doubt the same is true for you.

Where did you read “SK is not cut out to make decisions”? Evidently in your rush to respond you missed the part where I said “No doubt an extremely intelligent and competent individual,”

Scott was well known at AA for his success in market/fleet sizing, among many other things and I agree he’s doing a good job navigating through the mire. Not sure if you just joined in, but this thread isn’t about Kirby’s general handling of United; it’s about him setting a trendy, feel-good but alarming hiring precedent. Try to keep up.

Given your apparent propensity for indiscriminately lashing out against fellow pilots (flat earth/anti vax?) while lobbing insults, perhaps it is you that should spend some time self reflecting.

Being honest. SK failed at American. Will that failure help him? Don't know.

Is SK an operations guy? No. He's not a pilot. There is much that is out of his wheel house. Gordon Bethune was an operations guy. He "got it." SK. He will need access to good people who are both operations people and who are willing to be frank. That frankness will require SK to be open minded. Further, it will require good people willing to take a risk and communicate honestly.

As in this issue......That sort of "honest and frank dialog" has not occurred. Otherwise he has people who are yes men and women and not willing to tell the Emperor he is naked.

This issue, like other endeavors of a similar nature will and should fail. It will fail for the right reasons. It is what it is.