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Joebob21 04-07-2021 12:17 PM

How is all of this not blatant discrimination, they are opting to give preference to someone based on race, or sex. It really is as simple as that. If a lawsuit were filed how could this not be an open and shut case in 2 minutes?? It’s not anyone’s fault that this has primarily been a white male dominated industry. For the record, I do not oppose hiring of any individual group, but I do when it becomes at the expense of someone obviously more qualified based on their merit or experience.

JurgenKlopp 04-07-2021 12:20 PM


Originally Posted by RJSAviator76 (Post 3218396)
I have a problem with putting women and minorities in the position where their hard work, dedication and grit to succeed gets questioned on account of their skin color or sex.

I also have a problem with using skin color and sex as being any kind of a factor in hiring, especially for a safety-sensitive position. If you can’t see just how detrimental that is, or if you’re unable to differentiate between helping and coaching minorities and women to become competitive and establishing quotas.... I can’t help you.

If you think that this ‘woke BS’ isn’t coming to LUV real soon, you are prob rolling too much coal...

SonicCarhop 04-07-2021 12:20 PM


Originally Posted by RJSAviator76 (Post 3218396)
I have a problem with putting women and minorities in the position where their hard work, dedication and grit to succeed gets questioned on account of their skin color or sex.

I also have a problem with using skin color and sex as being any kind of a factor in hiring, especially for a safety-sensitive position. If you can’t see just how detrimental that is, or if you’re unable to differentiate between helping and coaching minorities and women to become competitive and establishing quotas.... I can’t help you.

The Aviate program is not a guaranteed job at United. It's a defined pathway that, should you complete the entire path, will get you priority for a job at United. They are not selecting people because of their race or gender, but targeting resources to increasing the pool of candidates that are historically underrepresented.

ShyGuy 04-07-2021 12:45 PM


Originally Posted by CoefficientX (Post 3218295)
So in your opinion if we dressed young boys in pink and gave them dolls they’d grow up to be nurses and if we dressed young girls in blue and gave them trucks they’d grow up to be pilots? Is that how this works?

Before you do that, make sure to have a gender reveal airplane flight releasing a pink mist, that crashes and kills both pilots. But hey, the world knows you’re having a girl. :rolleyes:

Bestglide 04-07-2021 01:00 PM

[QUOTE=SonicCarhop;3218406]The Aviate program is not a guaranteed job at United. It's a defined pathway that, should you complete the entire path, will get you priority for a job at United. They are not selecting people because of their race or gender, but targeting resources to increasing the pool of candidates that are historically underrepresented.[/QUOTE]

another woke lib buzz word for racism... just say it like it is and stop w the b.s.!

ElCaribe 04-07-2021 01:00 PM


Originally Posted by Cyborgmudhen (Post 3217758)

If it takes balls to roll coal then I guess once could never roll coal in this case.

fadec 04-07-2021 01:09 PM


Originally Posted by Joebob21 (Post 3218403)
How is all of this not blatant discrimination, they are opting to give preference to someone based on race, or sex. It really is as simple as that. If a lawsuit were filed how could this not be an open and shut case in 2 minutes?? It’s not anyone’s fault that this has primarily been a white male dominated industry. For the record, I do not oppose hiring of any individual group, but I do when it becomes at the expense of someone obviously more qualified based on their merit or experience.


It discrimination. We used to say it was immoral but now we're more interested in its pros and cons and the best way to implement it.

hummingbear 04-07-2021 01:26 PM

It seems we finally found the one topic that can fill 14 APC pages with zero thread drift- a nominal challenge to the prevalence of white men in aviation. Go figure.

Air Guitar 04-07-2021 01:30 PM

[QUOTE=Bestglide;3218423]

Originally Posted by SonicCarhop (Post 3218406)
The Aviate program is not a guaranteed job at United. It's a defined pathway that, should you complete the entire path, will get you priority for a job at United. They are not selecting people because of their race or gender, but targeting resources to increasing the pool of candidates that are historically underrepresented.[/QUOTE]

another woke lib buzz word for racism... just say it like it is and stop w the b.s.!

What he also fails to recognize is that this practice, evidenced by some universities have really only set some people up to fail. Initial selection could potentially include individuals that are not ready for the rigorous effort and time necessary for aviation training but are rather simply driven by the "idea" of being a pilot. An awarness campain would be more effective than a virtue signaling diversity campain. Then we can blindly have the best complete training and not washout.

ItnStln 04-07-2021 01:33 PM


Originally Posted by Stan446 (Post 3218400)
Just wait for the large group of new hire women and minorities who sue United and Alpa for discrimination because of the seniority based system. Why shouldn't a new hire move right to the left seat of a wide body? I've seen such a law suit at another airline.

Where did that happen?


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