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Desdi 04-16-2021 09:51 PM


Originally Posted by Flydafe (Post 3222331)
It’s a new day my man. Just a few years ago the regionals couldn’t find enough applicants. Technology has really made the process more efficient. These kids are at home flying virtual airlines in A380s and triples in Virtual as well as augmented reality. Had one show me how to start the gpu. He was in his early teens. He didn’t know the flows but knew the General concepts. For them the whole set up is simplified because they were born in to technology. All us old heads need to do is mentor them when they sit in that right seat. Someone did it for us. We are tradesmen

He showed you how to start the GPU? 🤔

hummingbear 04-17-2021 02:38 AM


Originally Posted by ThumbsUp (Post 3222743)
I also think you are missing the point that Aviate will require an application and whatever objective criteria that application will have will somehow have a stated goal of producing 50% minority/female pilots.

Please go ahead and explicitly state that you believe this necessarily requires lowering those objective criteria on behalf of said minority/female candidates.

Flydafe 04-17-2021 03:05 AM


Originally Posted by Oletimer (Post 3222594)
if anyone wants to come to this profession they can come and compete for the training, for the hiring, and for the profession. No special gender biased/racial preference programs are required or needed.

How does one compete for the training? I get the hiring one but technically it’s a pay to play kind of deal for pilot training outside of the guard and military.

John Carr 04-17-2021 04:01 AM


Originally Posted by detpilot (Post 3222671)
you guys sure are uptight. I didn't really care about the lyrics... Aside from "don't rush," they weren't all that clear anyway. I certainly didn't go google them to go pick the song apart, line by line. But if that makes you happy, sure.

skeet skeet!!!!!

captive apple 04-17-2021 05:28 AM

Why is England’s late Prince Philip not “king” Philip if he is married to the queen?

biggun 04-17-2021 05:54 AM


Originally Posted by Flydafe (Post 3222766)
How does one compete for the training? I get the hiring one but technically it’s a pay to play kind of deal for pilot training outside of the guard and military.

It depends on the level of training you are seeking more than likely.

Flight school resources will be limited due to demand.

Many 4 year schools already limit enrollment. The students have to compete for a seat. For example, Louisiana Tech has a great aviation program. Limited enrollment to 200 students due to aircraft fleet size and instructor cadre and simulator availability. Students wishing to apply here must e compete for a seat. ACT/SAT and high school grades are used to determine if you can get in or not. Just cuz u want to fly doesn't mean you can always do it. Even if you have daddy's check book, you have to put in the work to earn your spot.

ThumbsUp 04-17-2021 07:12 AM


Originally Posted by hummingbear (Post 3222765)
Please go ahead and explicitly state that you believe this necessarily requires lowering those objective criteria on behalf of said minority/female candidates.

No one can say that it will, since it hasn’t happened yet. One can only draw parallels to similar initiatives where race and ethnicity was used as a qualifier and objective performance measures were lowered to achieve greater diversity. I previously cited the Princeton studies that showed minorities accepted had a great advantage (performance-wise) on admission to elite undergraduate schools, with average SAT scores several hundred points lower for minorities than their majority counterparts. I also pointed out that the same was true for medical school matriculants based on the public data that AAMC publishes each year on medical school applicants and matriculants. Minority matriculants scored several deciles lower on the MCAT and had significantly lower GPAs on average than their majority and Asian counterparts.

For a more direct comparison, RAND published a study in 2015 researching why minority and female USAF pilot trainees washed out at higher rates than their white male counterparts.

https://www.rand.org/content/dam/ran...AND_RR1936.pdf

One of the findings from this study is that nearly all of the failures between male-female and 72 percent of the failures between white-black students could be correlated to pilot aptitude tests predicting their failure. This study did not include USAFA graduates, who did not take the TBAS test.

Ignoring that a lower standard to achieve such a lofty goal is a probability, ignores decades of data.

John Carr 04-17-2021 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by captive apple (Post 3222827)
Why is England’s late Prince Philip not “king” Philip if he is married to the queen?

Because, Monarchy

At least his ride was sweet.

hummingbear 04-17-2021 08:06 AM


Originally Posted by ThumbsUp (Post 3222870)
One of the findings from this study is that nearly all of the failures between male-female and 72 percent of the failures between white-black students could be correlated to pilot aptitude tests predicting their failure. This study did not include USAFA graduates, who did not take the TBAS test.

Ignoring that a lower standard to achieve such a lofty goal is a probability, ignores decades of data.

If United were accepting training candidates who did poorly on pilot aptitude tests, or other standardized indicators, I would have a HUGE problem with that. But that’s not what’s being discussed.

The Aviate program will only train 5,000 pilots over the next 10 years. In all likelihood, there will be far more QUALIFIED candidates than there will be available positions. You may disagree with how United chooses to select from among these QUALIFIED candidates, but the fact is, they will need to say yes to some and no to others. They have chosen to prioritize diversity in their selection process. Meaning 2,500 of those QUALIFIED candidates who get the yes will be women & minorities. (The verbiage on every official statement I’ve seen from UAL is VERY loose, and does not bind them to meet this metric if not enough qualified people apply.) Again, opinions on whether diversity should be their priority aside, the question is can they find among their many applicants 2,500 women & minorities who are equally qualified as their white male counterparts? I don’t see any reason why they wouldn’t be able to.

If I’m wrong, and these candidates do wash out at a higher rate, as in the study you’ve cited, then they wash out. The program is then proven inefficient; but not reckless or dangerous.

captive apple 04-17-2021 08:30 AM


Originally Posted by John Carr (Post 3222882)
Because, Monarchy

At least his ride was sweet.

That is the part i don’t understand. While he married into the royal bloodline shouldn’t he be a king?


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