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xms3200 07-31-2021 08:23 AM
I am hearing from the "Technical Operations side" that it is "Full steam ahead" for Polaris mods on the PW 777 when they come due for maintenance. I highly doubt if ETOPS was in question that UA will be pressing on with the Polaris project.

JimLaheyTPS 07-31-2021 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by xms3200 (Post 3271608)
I am hearing from the "Technical Operations side" that it is "Full steam ahead" for Polaris mods on the PW 777 when they come due for maintenance. I highly doubt if ETOPS was in question that UA will be pressing on with the Polaris project.
So they are planning to remove the cattle cart configuration and install Polaris seats? Fantastic news if true!

Barney 07-31-2021 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by globetruck (Post 3271543)
I’ve also heard that there are 3 different PW issues:
1. Uncontained fire
2. Cowlings coming apart
3. Fan blade… lately lots of focus on this, and yes it appears that the fan blades will all be fixed by next summer.

However, the larger issue that I’ve heard is that because of 1-2-3, the PW 777’s ETOPS future is in jeopardy. So even though there’s a timeline to fix all the fan blades, I think there’s still some uncertainty regarding the types of trips the jets will actually fly.


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Brutal if true that ETOPS is in jeopardy. Would be a big decision to bring these 20-25 year old jets back and repaint/mod/fix. Might be better to bring the 350 online faster or order a mix of more 300ERs/787-10s or even the 777X when it gets here.

rightside02 08-01-2021 09:36 AM
How hard is it , or would it be to re-certify and get it ETOPS approval ? Or not possible once lossed

HuggyU2 08-01-2021 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Barney (Post 3271654)
Brutal if true that ETOPS is in jeopardy.
Why don't you drop Paul an email and ask him?

xms3200 08-01-2021 03:43 PM
You lose ETOPS certification for an airframe/engine combination when the ISFD exceeds a certain FAA threshold or the airline has several ETOPS critical system failures in a certain time period. The airline is not penalized if the engine manufacturer is at fault

Dave Fitzgerald 08-01-2021 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by JimLaheyTPS (Post 3271621)
So they are planning to remove the cattle cart configuration and install Polaris seats? Fantastic news if true!
No. In fact just the opposite.

They are converting 5 777-200B's to cattle car configuration. 1 has already been done. This configuration is a huge money maker. Adds a lot of seats. Doesn't do much for pax comfort. Domestic, Hawaii, and Guam. They will also use them to fight off LCC's. Can't really compete with seat mile costs with the A configuration.

Yes, they are old, but they make a lot of money.

JetDoc 08-02-2021 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Dave Fitzgerald (Post 3272244)
No. In fact just the opposite.

They are converting 5 777-200B's to cattle car configuration. 1 has already been done. This configuration is a huge money maker. Adds a lot of seats. Doesn't do much for pax comfort. Domestic, Hawaii, and Guam. They will also use them to fight off LCC's. Can't really compete with seat mile costs with the A configuration.

Yes, they are old, but they make a lot of money.
United did the same back in the 90's with half a dozen rope start 747's. Nearly 500 pax if I remember correctly. Flew them almost exclusively back and forth to Hawaii filled with people cashing in their frequent flyer miles. Entire main deck was economy seats with the upper deck having domestic first class seats.

GoCats67 08-02-2021 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Dave Fitzgerald (Post 3272244)
No. In fact just the opposite.

They are converting 5 777-200B's to cattle car configuration. 1 has already been done. This configuration is a huge money maker. Adds a lot of seats. Doesn't do much for pax comfort. Domestic, Hawaii, and Guam. They will also use them to fight off LCC's. Can't really compete with seat mile costs with the A configuration.

Yes, they are old, but they make a lot of money.
Unfortunately they also are taking out the bunks. Which makes them only usable on un-augmented flying or single augmented flying to/from Hawaii only (5-J-1-d-(1) basic flights only). So, can't be used on routes to Europe that have high leisure travel numbers. (ORD-FCO, EWR-ATH, etc). The 777-A's wouldn't make Europe well, but the B's in a high density could have done some very interesting Europe vacation destinations. But alas no rest provision for a global flight.

F15andMD11 08-02-2021 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by GoCats67 (Post 3272530)
Unfortunately they also are taking out the bunks...
They're taking out the bunk on all 26 B models? Find that hard to believe.


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