We don’t negotiate for inflation?

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CALPilotToo , 06-28-2022 01:34 AM
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Anyone ask Brown when he’s headed back to a management position like the one he held in scheduling at ExpressJet?
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Augerin , 06-28-2022 08:30 AM
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I watched it too. I turned it off when he said “housing costs haven’t gone up”. Time to replace Jeff, Brad and the NC and make them fly as line pilots for at least the next 12 month.

We need to get rid of them all. Anyone who is responsible for this abomination!
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AlettaOcean , 06-28-2022 08:32 AM
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This is corruption and incompetence at the highest level.

REJECT AND RECALL.
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Turned off the bs town hall. Really Jeff! We don’t negotiate for inflation? Why not? We do now! Also stated home prices have not gone up with inflation. These guys are so out of touch.

I tried to listen but nothing they stated in the snake oil sales can convince me of anything but a NO VOTE. logging on now to cast!
I'm going to beat my cranium against the wall here...

Brown explained clearly what he meant by not negotiating for inflation. He said it is definitely a factor, but we don't necessarily try to match the gross inflation metric. I don't have any problem with his explanation. He also explained that inflation affects people in different income brackets differently. Is that arguable? The higher income brackets (where we are) tend to be less affected by energy and housing inflation. Finally, his point about housing is that most pilots own their homes and are not subject to thr inflationary pressure of the rental market (like lower income brackets).

The pay increases in the TA don't come anywhere near recognizing our contribution to positioning United for success...but let's not be disingenuous.
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You pretty much have to upgrade if you want a chance at purchasing a modest home on the coasts. I would love to go house shopping in 2018 vs 2022 with current book rates. I could probably pull it of as a NB FO. Not a chance now.
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You pretty much have to upgrade if you want a chance at purchasing a modest home on the coasts. I would love to go house shopping in 2018 vs 2022 with current book rates. I could probably pull it of as a NB FO. Not a chance now.

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$828,111: The median price of a house in King County

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...the median isn’t much lower. It’s a 14.2 percent hike from 2020. Counting condos, the cost dips a bit (to $750,000). Either way, clearly there are no bargains to be found around here.

106.6%: The average sale-to-list price ratio in King County

This stat shows just how far people were willing to go to lock down homes last year. People routinely offered way “above asking.” At this rate, a home listed for $750,000 would fetch just under $800,000 at closing time. That’s on average; the comment-section anecdotes you see online aren’t outliers. Real estate agents aren’t modest in their initial postings, either: Keep in mind this is what you’re looking at when a home is listed at a mere half-mil around here.

38,506: The number of homes sold in King County

Sales volume rose by nearly 16 percent last year. Sure, the shutdowns of 2020 contributed to the increase, but housing activity came roaring back during the latter part of that year. Continuing that pace into 2021 was hardly a given amid the uncertainty of a pandemic and rising prices.

0.27: Months of home inventory in King County in December 2021

Good luck in 2022, home shoppers. Properties came off the market ridiculously fast in 2021, but the low point, inventory-wise, came at the very end of the year. Expect competition to be fierce in the months to come.


https://www.seattlemet.com/home-and-real-estate/2022/01/how-expensive-is-a-house-in-seattle-bellevue-redmond-washington
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FYI, we’ve been in negotiations for 2.5 years at SWA. The kompany used Covid as an excuse to not counter section 3 pay rate proposals for that length of time. So you know what SWAPA just did?! They countered themselves and upped the ask 😂

There’s no reason why an NC can’t update and refresh their asks especially when there’s no mediator involved that you have to worry about not p!ss!ing off.
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Wow, it’s terrible to submit employees to that…good thing we closed the Seattle base after all!
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I'm going to beat my cranium against the wall here...

Brown explained clearly what he meant by not negotiating for inflation. He said it is definitely a factor, but we don't necessarily try to match the gross inflation metric. I don't have any problem with his explanation. He also explained that inflation affects people in different income brackets differently. Is that arguable? The higher income brackets (where we are) tend to be less affected by energy and housing inflation. Finally, his point about housing is that most pilots own their homes and are not subject to thr inflationary pressure of the rental market (like lower income brackets).

The pay increases in the TA don't come anywhere near recognizing our contribution to positioning United for success...but let's not be disingenuous.
Yes but his excuse was if we tied our rates to inflation since 2012 we would’ve lost. First off, this is a two year contract and we know the inflation estimates so that’s just dumb. Second of all, why did he say 2012? I’m too lazy to check the inflation rates but something tells me there’s political spin and that happens to coincide favorably with his argument. Bring it back to 1970 and I’m sure his argument is shot.
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Yes but his excuse was if we tied our rates to inflation since 2012 we would’ve lost. First off, this is a two year contract and we know the inflation estimates so that’s just dumb. Second of all, why did he say 2012? I’m too lazy to check the inflation rates but something tells me there’s political spin and that happens to coincide favorably with his argument. Bring it back to 1970 and I’m sure his argument is shot.
Yes he picked a specific point in time. I would have picked a much different point in time. Like 2002. UAL Contact 2000 paid a 777 CA $289/hr. According to the CPI calculator that is $521/hr today. How does negotiating for inflation sound now???

Aren’t we supposed to be clawing back what we used to have vs falling farther behind?

https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/d...00026/alpa.htm
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