Letter in Support of the Tentative Agreement
06-28-2022, 08:22 AM
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Letter in Support of the Tentative Agreement
Letter in Support of the Tentative Agreement
Last Friday morning, your MEC voted to forward a Tentative Agreement to the United pilots for membership ratification. This letter represents the majority opinion of the MEC members recommending approval of the TA.
Over the past four years, representatives past and present, alongside the officers, committee members, advisors and staff of the MEC have labored to negotiate the agreement now before you. Not every goal was reached; no contentious negotiation can achieve every aim. Nor were all representatives unanimous in all matters; it would be exceptional for any diverse voting body to agree completely on anything. Rest assured that every representative was heard, every viewpoint discussed, every question debated. As such, we in the majority are confident that this agreement represents the best achievable outcome for the greatest number of pilots.
This TA is the result of negotiations under unprecedented and unimagined conditions. The worst of the Coronavirus pandemic may be in the past, but the financial toll taken is still very much with us, coupled with an uncertain economic outlook. The agreement we have now is a result of current conditions, but it also adapts from lessons past by shaping a future that ends the stagnancy created by longer term deals and replaces it with more frequent opportunity to capture ongoing gains.
The agreement before you contains many facets, which we can only summarize here:
• Scope. This TA maintains the integrity of our industry-leading Scope Clause, with strict controls on the new CRJ-550 to regular 50-seat limits while guaranteeing jumpseat availability.
• Economic. This agreement brings $1.3 billion in economic benefits to the United Pilots in the next 24 months including pay rate increases of up to 15.1 percent over two years; with ongoing $800 million in improvements beyond the amendable date. This agreement presents the United Pilots with industry-leading pay rates in nearly every category, all while the company lost $1.4 billion last quarter alone.
• Timing. We all know that the last two years precluded Section 6 negotiations. Emerging from that period as the only legacy carrier still our pre-pandemic size, we’ve taken opportunity to capture market-share and forge a path to industry dominance through massive growth. This strategy will bring improving company financials, and with it our bargaining power. Closer-in, if deteriorating conditions prevail, we will have already locked in industry-leading gains, better positioning us upon improved economic outlook.
• Work Rules. This TA contains the most significant enhancements to working conditions since the original Joint Collective Bargaining Agreement after our merger. Scheduling, Bidding, Training Scheduling, and Reserve Rules see substantive improvements towards pay and quality of life, and provide substantive penalties to current company practices that are commonly reviled yet unrestrained.
• Instructor-Evaluator Enhancements. The agreement makes new strides in attracting the best talent to the Flight Training Center, addressing long-term quality-of-life issues while offering industry-leading pay for the training cadre.
• Retirement and Insurance Benefits. The TA introduces new enhancements and tax-free options for retirement planning, allows for another increase in Long-Term Disability coverage, and protects against the skyrocketing costs of health care by Retirement and Insurance Benefits. The TA introduces new enhancements and tax-free options for retirement planning, allows for another increase in Long-Term Disability coverage, and protects against the skyrocketing costs of health care by indexing plan design changes (such as co-pays and deductibles) directly to pilot pay rates directly to pilot pay rates.
Our synopsis only scratches the surface, so please do not rely on this alone. As with any vote, we implore each of you to exercise due diligence in your decision process. Study the details and materials, attend your LEC meetings or MEC Town Hall meetings and ask the questions directly to the negotiators and subject-matter experts. Talk to your representatives that were at the table, deliberating the merits of this agreement and the conditions under which it was derived.
For those new to Section 6 negotiations, this is the final round in a long and deliberate process. We did not get here by mistake, and not without a lot of work by many, many volunteers and staff. For those who have been around a while, we’ve seen this before. Every representative that voted to send this Tentative Agreement to you were elected by you to make that decision. If it didn’t pass muster, we wouldn’t have sent it to you.
Unfortunately, with the information contained in the TA, you will also be subjected to a lot of extraneous, and in many ways erroneous information. Some people insist that we could have or even should have done better; others say they could have done better themselves. For your representatives engaged in the process that led us to an educated outcome, we wonder: Where were they?
A Word on No Votes
Many base their No vote on a mistaken thought that if we reject a TA now, a better deal is just around the corner. With a complex agreement over three years in the making, any pilot wants will be met with many areas of company buyer’s remorse. With a grossly overdue contract present day, how many more years is one willing to wait and what decision offers the best risk- reward return? Beware of unintended consequences.
If we can offer one final word, it would be this: Context. Your MEC made our decision based upon months of immersion not only in the TA language, but coupled with in-depth industry and economic analysis, as well as steadfast strategizing that considers future negotiations many agreements into the future. It is incumbent upon you to utilize opportunities in the upcoming week to make an informed decision.
When you do, we recommend you vote YES
Last Friday morning, your MEC voted to forward a Tentative Agreement to the United pilots for membership ratification. This letter represents the majority opinion of the MEC members recommending approval of the TA.
Over the past four years, representatives past and present, alongside the officers, committee members, advisors and staff of the MEC have labored to negotiate the agreement now before you. Not every goal was reached; no contentious negotiation can achieve every aim. Nor were all representatives unanimous in all matters; it would be exceptional for any diverse voting body to agree completely on anything. Rest assured that every representative was heard, every viewpoint discussed, every question debated. As such, we in the majority are confident that this agreement represents the best achievable outcome for the greatest number of pilots.
This TA is the result of negotiations under unprecedented and unimagined conditions. The worst of the Coronavirus pandemic may be in the past, but the financial toll taken is still very much with us, coupled with an uncertain economic outlook. The agreement we have now is a result of current conditions, but it also adapts from lessons past by shaping a future that ends the stagnancy created by longer term deals and replaces it with more frequent opportunity to capture ongoing gains.
The agreement before you contains many facets, which we can only summarize here:
• Scope. This TA maintains the integrity of our industry-leading Scope Clause, with strict controls on the new CRJ-550 to regular 50-seat limits while guaranteeing jumpseat availability.
• Economic. This agreement brings $1.3 billion in economic benefits to the United Pilots in the next 24 months including pay rate increases of up to 15.1 percent over two years; with ongoing $800 million in improvements beyond the amendable date. This agreement presents the United Pilots with industry-leading pay rates in nearly every category, all while the company lost $1.4 billion last quarter alone.
• Timing. We all know that the last two years precluded Section 6 negotiations. Emerging from that period as the only legacy carrier still our pre-pandemic size, we’ve taken opportunity to capture market-share and forge a path to industry dominance through massive growth. This strategy will bring improving company financials, and with it our bargaining power. Closer-in, if deteriorating conditions prevail, we will have already locked in industry-leading gains, better positioning us upon improved economic outlook.
• Work Rules. This TA contains the most significant enhancements to working conditions since the original Joint Collective Bargaining Agreement after our merger. Scheduling, Bidding, Training Scheduling, and Reserve Rules see substantive improvements towards pay and quality of life, and provide substantive penalties to current company practices that are commonly reviled yet unrestrained.
• Instructor-Evaluator Enhancements. The agreement makes new strides in attracting the best talent to the Flight Training Center, addressing long-term quality-of-life issues while offering industry-leading pay for the training cadre.
• Retirement and Insurance Benefits. The TA introduces new enhancements and tax-free options for retirement planning, allows for another increase in Long-Term Disability coverage, and protects against the skyrocketing costs of health care by Retirement and Insurance Benefits. The TA introduces new enhancements and tax-free options for retirement planning, allows for another increase in Long-Term Disability coverage, and protects against the skyrocketing costs of health care by indexing plan design changes (such as co-pays and deductibles) directly to pilot pay rates directly to pilot pay rates.
Our synopsis only scratches the surface, so please do not rely on this alone. As with any vote, we implore each of you to exercise due diligence in your decision process. Study the details and materials, attend your LEC meetings or MEC Town Hall meetings and ask the questions directly to the negotiators and subject-matter experts. Talk to your representatives that were at the table, deliberating the merits of this agreement and the conditions under which it was derived.
For those new to Section 6 negotiations, this is the final round in a long and deliberate process. We did not get here by mistake, and not without a lot of work by many, many volunteers and staff. For those who have been around a while, we’ve seen this before. Every representative that voted to send this Tentative Agreement to you were elected by you to make that decision. If it didn’t pass muster, we wouldn’t have sent it to you.
Unfortunately, with the information contained in the TA, you will also be subjected to a lot of extraneous, and in many ways erroneous information. Some people insist that we could have or even should have done better; others say they could have done better themselves. For your representatives engaged in the process that led us to an educated outcome, we wonder: Where were they?
A Word on No Votes
Many base their No vote on a mistaken thought that if we reject a TA now, a better deal is just around the corner. With a complex agreement over three years in the making, any pilot wants will be met with many areas of company buyer’s remorse. With a grossly overdue contract present day, how many more years is one willing to wait and what decision offers the best risk- reward return? Beware of unintended consequences.
If we can offer one final word, it would be this: Context. Your MEC made our decision based upon months of immersion not only in the TA language, but coupled with in-depth industry and economic analysis, as well as steadfast strategizing that considers future negotiations many agreements into the future. It is incumbent upon you to utilize opportunities in the upcoming week to make an informed decision.
When you do, we recommend you vote YES
06-28-2022, 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by UofM
Yea. No. “A word to the No votes”. Go get fuccked. How about that. They don’t even believe what they are saying. And isn’t it odd it isn’t signed like the CON was?
06-28-2022, 09:00 AM
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"Many base their No vote on a mistaken thought that if we reject a TA now, a better deal is just around the corner. With a complex agreement over three years in the making, any pilot wants will be met with many areas of company buyer’s remorse. With a grossly overdue contract present day, how many more years is one willing to wait and what decision offers the best risk- reward return? Beware of unintended consequences."
This part reads like management wrote it on a napkin and gave it to them. Disgusting.
This part reads like management wrote it on a napkin and gave it to them. Disgusting.
06-28-2022, 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by AlettaOcean
Letter in Support of the Tentative Agreement
Last Friday morning, your MEC voted to forward a Tentative Agreement to the United pilots for membership ratification. This letter represents the majority opinion of the MEC members recommending approval of the TA.
Over the past four years, representatives past and present, alongside the officers, committee members, advisors and staff of the MEC have labored to negotiate the agreement now before you. Not every goal was reached; no contentious negotiation can achieve every aim. Nor were all representatives unanimous in all matters; it would be exceptional for any diverse voting body to agree completely on anything. Rest assured that every representative was heard, every viewpoint discussed, every question debated. As such, we in the majority are confident that this agreement represents the best achievable outcome for the greatest number of pilots.
This TA is the result of negotiations under unprecedented and unimagined conditions. The worst of the Coronavirus pandemic may be in the past, but the financial toll taken is still very much with us, coupled with an uncertain economic outlook. The agreement we have now is a result of current conditions, but it also adapts from lessons past by shaping a future that ends the stagnancy created by longer term deals and replaces it with more frequent opportunity to capture ongoing gains.
The agreement before you contains many facets, which we can only summarize here:
• Scope. This TA maintains the integrity of our industry-leading Scope Clause, with strict controls on the new CRJ-550 to regular 50-seat limits while guaranteeing jumpseat availability.
• Economic. This agreement brings $1.3 billion in economic benefits to the United Pilots in the next 24 months including pay rate increases of up to 15.1 percent over two years; with ongoing $800 million in improvements beyond the amendable date. This agreement presents the United Pilots with industry-leading pay rates in nearly every category, all while the company lost $1.4 billion last quarter alone.
• Timing. We all know that the last two years precluded Section 6 negotiations. Emerging from that period as the only legacy carrier still our pre-pandemic size, we’ve taken opportunity to capture market-share and forge a path to industry dominance through massive growth. This strategy will bring improving company financials, and with it our bargaining power. Closer-in, if deteriorating conditions prevail, we will have already locked in industry-leading gains, better positioning us upon improved economic outlook.
• Work Rules. This TA contains the most significant enhancements to working conditions since the original Joint Collective Bargaining Agreement after our merger. Scheduling, Bidding, Training Scheduling, and Reserve Rules see substantive improvements towards pay and quality of life, and provide substantive penalties to current company practices that are commonly reviled yet unrestrained.
• Instructor-Evaluator Enhancements. The agreement makes new strides in attracting the best talent to the Flight Training Center, addressing long-term quality-of-life issues while offering industry-leading pay for the training cadre.
• Retirement and Insurance Benefits. The TA introduces new enhancements and tax-free options for retirement planning, allows for another increase in Long-Term Disability coverage, and protects against the skyrocketing costs of health care by Retirement and Insurance Benefits. The TA introduces new enhancements and tax-free options for retirement planning, allows for another increase in Long-Term Disability coverage, and protects against the skyrocketing costs of health care by indexing plan design changes (such as co-pays and deductibles) directly to pilot pay rates directly to pilot pay rates.
Our synopsis only scratches the surface, so please do not rely on this alone. As with any vote, we implore each of you to exercise due diligence in your decision process. Study the details and materials, attend your LEC meetings or MEC Town Hall meetings and ask the questions directly to the negotiators and subject-matter experts. Talk to your representatives that were at the table, deliberating the merits of this agreement and the conditions under which it was derived.
For those new to Section 6 negotiations, this is the final round in a long and deliberate process. We did not get here by mistake, and not without a lot of work by many, many volunteers and staff. For those who have been around a while, we’ve seen this before. Every representative that voted to send this Tentative Agreement to you were elected by you to make that decision. If it didn’t pass muster, we wouldn’t have sent it to you.
Unfortunately, with the information contained in the TA, you will also be subjected to a lot of extraneous, and in many ways erroneous information. Some people insist that we could have or even should have done better; others say they could have done better themselves. For your representatives engaged in the process that led us to an educated outcome, we wonder: Where were they?
A Word on No Votes
Many base their No vote on a mistaken thought that if we reject a TA now, a better deal is just around the corner. With a complex agreement over three years in the making, any pilot wants will be met with many areas of company buyer’s remorse. With a grossly overdue contract present day, how many more years is one willing to wait and what decision offers the best risk- reward return? Beware of unintended consequences.
If we can offer one final word, it would be this: Context. Your MEC made our decision based upon months of immersion not only in the TA language, but coupled with in-depth industry and economic analysis, as well as steadfast strategizing that considers future negotiations many agreements into the future. It is incumbent upon you to utilize opportunities in the upcoming week to make an informed decision.
When you do, we recommend you vote YES
Last Friday morning, your MEC voted to forward a Tentative Agreement to the United pilots for membership ratification. This letter represents the majority opinion of the MEC members recommending approval of the TA.
Over the past four years, representatives past and present, alongside the officers, committee members, advisors and staff of the MEC have labored to negotiate the agreement now before you. Not every goal was reached; no contentious negotiation can achieve every aim. Nor were all representatives unanimous in all matters; it would be exceptional for any diverse voting body to agree completely on anything. Rest assured that every representative was heard, every viewpoint discussed, every question debated. As such, we in the majority are confident that this agreement represents the best achievable outcome for the greatest number of pilots.
This TA is the result of negotiations under unprecedented and unimagined conditions. The worst of the Coronavirus pandemic may be in the past, but the financial toll taken is still very much with us, coupled with an uncertain economic outlook. The agreement we have now is a result of current conditions, but it also adapts from lessons past by shaping a future that ends the stagnancy created by longer term deals and replaces it with more frequent opportunity to capture ongoing gains.
The agreement before you contains many facets, which we can only summarize here:
• Scope. This TA maintains the integrity of our industry-leading Scope Clause, with strict controls on the new CRJ-550 to regular 50-seat limits while guaranteeing jumpseat availability.
• Economic. This agreement brings $1.3 billion in economic benefits to the United Pilots in the next 24 months including pay rate increases of up to 15.1 percent over two years; with ongoing $800 million in improvements beyond the amendable date. This agreement presents the United Pilots with industry-leading pay rates in nearly every category, all while the company lost $1.4 billion last quarter alone.
• Timing. We all know that the last two years precluded Section 6 negotiations. Emerging from that period as the only legacy carrier still our pre-pandemic size, we’ve taken opportunity to capture market-share and forge a path to industry dominance through massive growth. This strategy will bring improving company financials, and with it our bargaining power. Closer-in, if deteriorating conditions prevail, we will have already locked in industry-leading gains, better positioning us upon improved economic outlook.
• Work Rules. This TA contains the most significant enhancements to working conditions since the original Joint Collective Bargaining Agreement after our merger. Scheduling, Bidding, Training Scheduling, and Reserve Rules see substantive improvements towards pay and quality of life, and provide substantive penalties to current company practices that are commonly reviled yet unrestrained.
• Instructor-Evaluator Enhancements. The agreement makes new strides in attracting the best talent to the Flight Training Center, addressing long-term quality-of-life issues while offering industry-leading pay for the training cadre.
• Retirement and Insurance Benefits. The TA introduces new enhancements and tax-free options for retirement planning, allows for another increase in Long-Term Disability coverage, and protects against the skyrocketing costs of health care by Retirement and Insurance Benefits. The TA introduces new enhancements and tax-free options for retirement planning, allows for another increase in Long-Term Disability coverage, and protects against the skyrocketing costs of health care by indexing plan design changes (such as co-pays and deductibles) directly to pilot pay rates directly to pilot pay rates.
Our synopsis only scratches the surface, so please do not rely on this alone. As with any vote, we implore each of you to exercise due diligence in your decision process. Study the details and materials, attend your LEC meetings or MEC Town Hall meetings and ask the questions directly to the negotiators and subject-matter experts. Talk to your representatives that were at the table, deliberating the merits of this agreement and the conditions under which it was derived.
For those new to Section 6 negotiations, this is the final round in a long and deliberate process. We did not get here by mistake, and not without a lot of work by many, many volunteers and staff. For those who have been around a while, we’ve seen this before. Every representative that voted to send this Tentative Agreement to you were elected by you to make that decision. If it didn’t pass muster, we wouldn’t have sent it to you.
Unfortunately, with the information contained in the TA, you will also be subjected to a lot of extraneous, and in many ways erroneous information. Some people insist that we could have or even should have done better; others say they could have done better themselves. For your representatives engaged in the process that led us to an educated outcome, we wonder: Where were they?
A Word on No Votes
Many base their No vote on a mistaken thought that if we reject a TA now, a better deal is just around the corner. With a complex agreement over three years in the making, any pilot wants will be met with many areas of company buyer’s remorse. With a grossly overdue contract present day, how many more years is one willing to wait and what decision offers the best risk- reward return? Beware of unintended consequences.
If we can offer one final word, it would be this: Context. Your MEC made our decision based upon months of immersion not only in the TA language, but coupled with in-depth industry and economic analysis, as well as steadfast strategizing that considers future negotiations many agreements into the future. It is incumbent upon you to utilize opportunities in the upcoming week to make an informed decision.
When you do, we recommend you vote YES
06-28-2022, 09:19 AM
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Beyond disgraceful. Our entire profession stands to suffer a 30+ year setback if this goes through. We have NEVER been in a stronger position as a pilot group and this is what they come up with. This TA literally gives away almost everything. Scope, QoL, pay, bargaining power; all gone in one fell swoop. And they can't even stand up and take responsibility for what they have done. Im so disgusted at this Im almost nauseous.
For all you YES voters, when United releases its grand slam Q2 results 2 days after this vote closes, I hope you will be able to see just how much you have squandered.
Shame on ALPA, shame on the NC, shame on everyone who touched this.
For all you YES voters, when United releases its grand slam Q2 results 2 days after this vote closes, I hope you will be able to see just how much you have squandered.
Shame on ALPA, shame on the NC, shame on everyone who touched this.
06-28-2022, 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Jay1122
Beyond disgraceful. Our entire profession stands to suffer a 30+ year setback if this goes through. We have NEVER been in a stronger position as a pilot group and this is what they come up with. This TA literally gives away almost everything. Scope, QoL, pay, bargaining power; all gone in one fell swoop. And they can't even stand up and take responsibility for what they have done. Im so disgusted at this Im almost nauseous.
For all you YES voters, when United releases its grand slam Q2 results 2 days after this vote closes, I hope you will be able to see just how much you have squandered.
Shame on ALPA, shame on the NC, shame on everyone who touched this.
For all you YES voters, when United releases its grand slam Q2 results 2 days after this vote closes, I hope you will be able to see just how much you have squandered.
Shame on ALPA, shame on the NC, shame on everyone who touched this.
06-28-2022, 09:46 AM
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A simple recall is not enough. We, as a pilot group, need to take a long and serious look at ourselves and ask how we could have possibly gotten to such a sorry state in the first place. We are literally giving away ALL of our chips on a silver platter. Hamilton should go hide in a cave with the rest of the underbelly of society--miscreants, scabs, sycophants, and those willing to snuff out the lives of their fellow man for personal gain--and never see the light of day again.
06-28-2022, 09:55 AM
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“Just weeks ago at the ALPA Legislative Summit on Capitol Hill, our ALPA President Joe DePete stated we are in the best negotiating environment in the history of ALPA with the most leverage of our careers. This TA squanders that leverage.”
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