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Actually, my name is on the current contract LoL. Not this one. And I’m a solid NO vote.

Im just telling you that it’s never good when Pilots directly negotiate with Management. You don’t show the car salesman your W-2


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Ponies. Motorcycles. Stuffed Unicorns in S,M,L and XL sizes. NO soy ingredients in any of the crew meals. Beards for all the genders. No hair limit for all the genders. No tattoo restrictions save maybe the teardrop face tattoos. Tie becomes optional. No hats. An authorized intermediate jacket to wear. Trench coat is overkill for a spring rain in ORD.

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I honestly hope that you can achieve all of that. I realize that everyone, around here is mad. But you should replace leadership, not proven negotiating practice. That’s where anger can becomes counterproductive…


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I understand what you're saying but there is far too much anger from the rank and file at this point and if TA2 misses the mark, things will get ugly fast.

Then we need to find a few competent guys who can keep it together. Maybe some non political SME’s. No retread reps


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​​​​​​Well fadec demands 20% DOS, full backpay, 5% annual raise in perpetuity, no scope give, no PUPs, no reassignment changes, 15 hour call-out starting at 0000, no FSB, PS commute for all, $57 check airmen override on all flights, emotional support animals for instructors. Fadec gives 0500 voluntary reserve pickup for +5 hrs add pay in exchange for all PPU being 100%. Fadec also requires Delta sick time, no doctor notes, delta LTD, 19% retirement, UPS pensions, and first class on all company required travel. He also requires 8 weeks of paid leave for pregnancy and death in the immediate family beginning at 6 weeks gestation, bereavement fare discounts for extended family, and fertility treatments covered in healthcare. Fadec also mandates that the company honor the sabbath and keep it holy, whether Saturday or Sunday according to each faith, and if an anti-theist be employed then he shall honor and receive mammon on his chosen day.

This is merely the convex hull of time honored work rules and existing contracts. Take away from it and better ideas protrude. An industry leading contract should lead on all points.

I'd still vote No. Not one mention of a motorcycle or a pony or beards in uniform.

No Tumi suitcase?

Ben-

For the record.....We sit in the same neighborhood of seniority, especially from the Pre-Merge Pedigree......That said, A LOT of the said concerns above have germane merit on this thread.

The voice's speak, and so does the decent of the current TA. To try and discourage/stifle any disaccord is as much of general dereliction as those who crafted/voted "YES" on this "turd".

You once sat in such an LEC IAH. If you can articulate the "YES" mentality as your LEC did, would LOVE to hear it. PLEASE do NOT attempt to quell any/all opinions of those who have the rightful to oppose this extremely subpar TA.......Anything otherwise in disingenuous on your part as a former leader in your current LEC, let alone example going forward during this pivotal time........Regards......Another Line Pilot..

its only a negotiation if we state a price. Nothing wrong with staying our wants.

i was mesmerized how far off the NC apparently is from what folks really value.