Thanks. You and Stuttering Brad can take your
“No negotiation in public”
and
”That’s going to dilute seniority”
and stick them with the TA
F*ing Ridiculous

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Lotsa ground covered there. I’m in absolute disagreement with those whom voted yes at the MEC level. Haven’t spoken with either yet, so I haven’t grabbed my torches and pitchforks yet.

IMHO, the only way to make this right is a vast leadership change in order fix the obvious disconnect which has occurred. Sometimes, negotiators can get too close to the table, if you know what I mean, but I just haven’t seen anything from the LEC Reps or NC that leads me to believe and willful harm was intended. In any case, intent is currently irrelevant.

I understand the frustration, but just deem it more effective to replace and repair without negotiating in public. I also don’t feel the need for revenge; reprimand yes.

Also, most Pilots are middle of the road and reasonable folks. I’m not for this TA, but optics matter. The more b@tsh!T crazy we look, the better the sales job appears.


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there probably was a lot of escalation of commitment and/or Stockholm syndrome at the NC/MEC level.

It seems that they tried to be data driven but got all myopic in the approach. For example they claimed that they looked at PDRs to guide the discussion. I bet that most PDRs are about the annoying operational drama and hardly about the big picture QoL issues.

of course polling could have fixed that but I guess they just knew what we wanted - not.

I completely agree. Godwilling the next TA will make the general public surprised at what we’re demanding. I would prefer to be viewed as adults demanding an inflation adjusted wage, not the Detroit auto workers sabotaging their future prospects.

This is such BS that has been pushed by ALPA because it provides them with more accountability. If the CEO of AA can legally announce his offer to the whole world, we can discuss this as much as we like. Don’t be bullied into thinking otherwise.

Bullied? Come on Man?


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I'm a line pilot and I approve this post.

UALPA appears to have become infested with seagulls who haven't flown a full year's line in more than a decade. It's time to STOP doing business the way that seagulls recommend because that obviously isn't working.

Wonder what Jay Pierce is up to? Seems like the lUal Union people are all screwed up, what have we got to lose?

MEC: We need to cancel the pilots' vote so we can poll the pilots...

At least if we negotiated in public alpa maybe aware of our desires