United Airlines plans to slow growth in 23
07-22-2022, 06:36 AM
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Originally Posted by unstabilized
https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2022/07/20/united-airlines-ual-2q-2022-earnings.html
Quite a big cutback for 2023. Wonder how this will impact hiring.
Quite a big cutback for 2023. Wonder how this will impact hiring.
07-22-2022, 06:40 AM
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Originally Posted by unstabilized
https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2022/07/20/united-airlines-ual-2q-2022-earnings.html
Quite a big cutback for 2023. Wonder how this will impact hiring.
Quite a big cutback for 2023. Wonder how this will impact hiring.
With that clarification, it's not as scary as the headline. Hopefully, we can get those widebodies back flying on lower CASM routes with higher RASMs soon. Boeing shifting the delivery timeline on the Max 10 is probably the greatest threat to the growth plan. Mentioned they are committed to 200 new hires a month.
07-22-2022, 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by 31LatKE
In the earnings call, Nocella CCO, quantified the 12-point decrease (8% vs 20% previous guide) in capacity growth. 4-5 points of it is reduced regional flying because of regional staffing issues and treated as an acceleration of the United Next plan (does not affect 2026 ASMs). Another 4-5 points was a deferral of expected widebody flying as Asia and other markets (Russian overfly) are not expected to resume in the near future.
With that clarification, it's not as scary as the headline. Hopefully, we can get those widebodies back flying on lower CASM routes with higher RASMs soon. Boeing shifting the delivery timeline on the Max 10 is probably the greatest threat to the growth plan. Mentioned they are committed to 200 new hires a month.
With that clarification, it's not as scary as the headline. Hopefully, we can get those widebodies back flying on lower CASM routes with higher RASMs soon. Boeing shifting the delivery timeline on the Max 10 is probably the greatest threat to the growth plan. Mentioned they are committed to 200 new hires a month.
07-25-2022, 04:56 AM
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Originally Posted by iahflyr
Not exactly. A labor shortage at a restaurant that can’t find enough minimum wage employees is a pay shortage.
A labor shortage of trained pilots on a given fleet is not a pay shortage. Not when thousands of pilots would give anything to be in that seat…
A labor shortage of trained pilots on a given fleet is not a pay shortage. Not when thousands of pilots would give anything to be in that seat…
Not to mention all the corporate pilots who would now clamor for an interview.
What we are seeing is the result of 20 years of low wages, especially in entry level jobs, that didn’t incentivize people to become pilots.
07-25-2022, 05:00 AM
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Originally Posted by jumppilot
Maybe. Let’s use an extreme example. If a UAL new hire FO was paid $1 million a year, you’d have people quit their jobs and get 1500 hours in a year.
What we are seeing is the result of 20 years of low wages that didn’t incentivize people to become pilots.
What we are seeing is the result of 20 years of low wages that didn’t incentivize people to become pilots.
07-25-2022, 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by fadec
So pilots should be like any other slowly responding supply. Price spike baby! Bubble territory would be 3x or more, but I think what we'll see is a doubling of wages within the next two years. This is a conservative estimate. If lumber can do it. WE CAN TOO!!!
07-26-2022, 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by DC462
Umm, no we can’t. Because out of 14000 there are enough who will ALWAYS pick up PPU and bail the CS out. It’s a great dream but then wake up and see the same ******* different day. Just the way it works. Wish it was different but that is the reality.
07-26-2022, 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Mitch Rapp
I agree we are our worse enemy but I don’t think the PPU picker uppers are the biggest problem. I ran into a guy the other day who said we don’t want to kill the airline like the UAL Contract 2000 killed United. 🤦♂️ I guess gross mismanagement in all other areas wasn’t an issue for this guy.
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