Equipment / Base Seniority
08-18-2022, 11:51 AM
#21
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Originally Posted by JTwift
for reserve, we have long call, short call (pretty standard), but also field standby, which is where you sit at the airport for 4 hours.
we also have global reserve for fleets that are designated global (basically international, outside of the Americas, to keep it simple). This gives you a handful of hard days off, but also other days off which can be changed by scheduling. Yup.
scheduling can assign short calls and field standbys at a whim and there’s nothing really keeping them from doing it. You barely get compensated if they do it.
reserves can pickup trips that are silo or silo -1, so if you’re on a 5 day reserve block, you can grab a 5 or 4 day trip. This is seniority based, or whoever is quicker, if nobody grabbed it.
our reserve pool is based on days of reserve left and FIFO (first in first out). with the aggressive pickup and the short calls and field standbys that just magically appear on the schedule at whatever time, it’s really hard to tell if you’re going to be next up or not.
if you get back from a trip with a day of reserve left, good luck getting out of that one without some assignment.
if you’re on a trip, they say you’re treated like a line holder, but that’s just for rest, really. Any reassignment pay, etc, doesn’t apply. So your Captain (or FO, I suppose, if you’re a CA on reserve) could get a nice 50% bump for something and you get… nothing.
there’s a reason there are so many unfilled Captain positions. Nobody wants to upgrade until they’re sure they can hold a line as Captain.
we also have global reserve for fleets that are designated global (basically international, outside of the Americas, to keep it simple). This gives you a handful of hard days off, but also other days off which can be changed by scheduling. Yup.
scheduling can assign short calls and field standbys at a whim and there’s nothing really keeping them from doing it. You barely get compensated if they do it.
reserves can pickup trips that are silo or silo -1, so if you’re on a 5 day reserve block, you can grab a 5 or 4 day trip. This is seniority based, or whoever is quicker, if nobody grabbed it.
our reserve pool is based on days of reserve left and FIFO (first in first out). with the aggressive pickup and the short calls and field standbys that just magically appear on the schedule at whatever time, it’s really hard to tell if you’re going to be next up or not.
if you get back from a trip with a day of reserve left, good luck getting out of that one without some assignment.
if you’re on a trip, they say you’re treated like a line holder, but that’s just for rest, really. Any reassignment pay, etc, doesn’t apply. So your Captain (or FO, I suppose, if you’re a CA on reserve) could get a nice 50% bump for something and you get… nothing.
there’s a reason there are so many unfilled Captain positions. Nobody wants to upgrade until they’re sure they can hold a line as Captain.
08-18-2022, 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by JTwift
for reserve, we have long call, short call (pretty standard), but also field standby, which is where you sit at the airport for 4 hours.
we also have global reserve for fleets that are designated global (basically international, outside of the Americas, to keep it simple). This gives you a handful of hard days off, but also other days off which can be changed by scheduling. Yup.
scheduling can assign short calls and field standbys at a whim and there’s nothing really keeping them from doing it. You barely get compensated if they do it.
reserves can pickup trips that are silo or silo -1, so if you’re on a 5 day reserve block, you can grab a 5 or 4 day trip. This is seniority based, or whoever is quicker, if nobody grabbed it.
our reserve pool is based on days of reserve left and FIFO (first in first out). with the aggressive pickup and the short calls and field standbys that just magically appear on the schedule at whatever time, it’s really hard to tell if you’re going to be next up or not.
if you get back from a trip with a day of reserve left, good luck getting out of that one without some assignment.
if you’re on a trip, they say you’re treated like a line holder, but that’s just for rest, really. Any reassignment pay, etc, doesn’t apply. So your Captain (or FO, I suppose, if you’re a CA on reserve) could get a nice 50% bump for something and you get… nothing.
there’s a reason there are so many unfilled Captain positions. Nobody wants to upgrade until they’re sure they can hold a line as Captain.
we also have global reserve for fleets that are designated global (basically international, outside of the Americas, to keep it simple). This gives you a handful of hard days off, but also other days off which can be changed by scheduling. Yup.
scheduling can assign short calls and field standbys at a whim and there’s nothing really keeping them from doing it. You barely get compensated if they do it.
reserves can pickup trips that are silo or silo -1, so if you’re on a 5 day reserve block, you can grab a 5 or 4 day trip. This is seniority based, or whoever is quicker, if nobody grabbed it.
our reserve pool is based on days of reserve left and FIFO (first in first out). with the aggressive pickup and the short calls and field standbys that just magically appear on the schedule at whatever time, it’s really hard to tell if you’re going to be next up or not.
if you get back from a trip with a day of reserve left, good luck getting out of that one without some assignment.
if you’re on a trip, they say you’re treated like a line holder, but that’s just for rest, really. Any reassignment pay, etc, doesn’t apply. So your Captain (or FO, I suppose, if you’re a CA on reserve) could get a nice 50% bump for something and you get… nothing.
there’s a reason there are so many unfilled Captain positions. Nobody wants to upgrade until they’re sure they can hold a line as Captain.
Can someone also maybe tell me what these "Numbers" mean that people keep referencing in terms of DOH for seniority. Im assuming they are seniority numbers but for outsiders they don't mean much unless I am completely missing something.
And by that I mean on page 1 of this thread, the person who created that table put seniority numbers there (Im assuming). How do I reference that to actual DOH
08-18-2022, 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by apex7
And by that I mean on page 1 of this thread, the person who created that table put seniority numbers there (Im assuming). How do I reference that to actual DOH
as for the topic at hand…..reserve at United seriously blows. It’s abused constantly by skedz, and there is ZERO accountability.
The hotly contested TA would have made it even worse.
08-18-2022, 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by apex7
Thanks that's helpful. Some of that sounds pretty familiar but I guess the airport standby and them changing you all the time is not great.
Can someone also maybe tell me what these "Numbers" mean that people keep referencing in terms of DOH for seniority. Im assuming they are seniority numbers but for outsiders they don't mean much unless I am completely missing something.
And by that I mean on page 1 of this thread, the person who created that table put seniority numbers there (Im assuming). How do I reference that to actual DOH
Can someone also maybe tell me what these "Numbers" mean that people keep referencing in terms of DOH for seniority. Im assuming they are seniority numbers but for outsiders they don't mean much unless I am completely missing something.
And by that I mean on page 1 of this thread, the person who created that table put seniority numbers there (Im assuming). How do I reference that to actual DOH
I was just out for training at DTK and it is unbelievable. The sims are constantly in use and the Fall through Spring training plan is maxed out on every fleet to get ready for next summer. The Training Center is largest in the world already and they are building a new building (H) even though they just finished a new building (G) a couple of years ago. They are designing an expansion for more sim bays on building F, which is tentatively planned once they finish H. All that is to say that they certainly don't show any signs of slowing down on their hiring/growth plans despite what you see in the economic news!
08-18-2022, 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by GoCats67
The numbers I showed are the seniority numbers of the pilots in the junior positions listed. We have approximately 15000 total pilots on the seniority list. That list includes all active pilots plus everyone that is on some type of leave and some of the early retirement folks from the COVID early retirement programs, so we don't have 15000 active folks. I didn't include the DOH because it is difficult to cross reference all the doucments you would have to in order to get that correlated and their date of hire is also not relevent to when you can hold an assignment. What is relevent is your relative position on the master seniority list. 3 years ago the junior Denver Captain had over twenty years at UA. Now that person has 3 years.... even with that change in time on the property, the relative distance up the seniority list didn't change much. (it did go down a little since DEN has grown) I believe we either just hit or are about to hit the magic point of over half the seniority list being hired post merger. Suffice it to say that movement right now is eye wateringly fast! I will caution that the speed of your movement on the list is far more varialble than the percentage on the list you need to be to hold things. So, if you do the math based on 15000 pilots you can get the percentage up the list you would need to be to hold the positions you asked about. Getting to those percentages is happening extremely fast right now, but that could change.
I was just out for training at DTK and it is unbelievable. The sims are constantly in use and the Fall through Spring training plan is maxed out on every fleet to get ready for next summer. The Training Center is largest in the world already and they are building a new building (H) even though they just finished a new building (G) a couple of years ago. They are designing an expansion for more sim bays on building F, which is tentatively planned once they finish H. All that is to say that they certainly don't show any signs of slowing down on their hiring/growth plans despite what you see in the economic news!
I was just out for training at DTK and it is unbelievable. The sims are constantly in use and the Fall through Spring training plan is maxed out on every fleet to get ready for next summer. The Training Center is largest in the world already and they are building a new building (H) even though they just finished a new building (G) a couple of years ago. They are designing an expansion for more sim bays on building F, which is tentatively planned once they finish H. All that is to say that they certainly don't show any signs of slowing down on their hiring/growth plans despite what you see in the economic news!
Again appreciate your feedback !
08-18-2022, 10:11 PM
#26
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Originally Posted by JTwift
for reserve, we have long call, short call (pretty standard), but also field standby, which is where you sit at the airport for 4 hours.
we also have global reserve for fleets that are designated global (basically international, outside of the Americas, to keep it simple). This gives you a handful of hard days off, but also other days off which can be changed by scheduling. Yup.
scheduling can assign short calls and field standbys at a whim and there’s nothing really keeping them from doing it. You barely get compensated if they do it.
reserves can pickup trips that are silo or silo -1, so if you’re on a 5 day reserve block, you can grab a 5 or 4 day trip. This is seniority based, or whoever is quicker, if nobody grabbed it.
our reserve pool is based on days of reserve left and FIFO (first in first out). with the aggressive pickup and the short calls and field standbys that just magically appear on the schedule at whatever time, it’s really hard to tell if you’re going to be next up or not.
if you get back from a trip with a day of reserve left, good luck getting out of that one without some assignment.
if you’re on a trip, they say you’re treated like a line holder, but that’s just for rest, really. Any reassignment pay, etc, doesn’t apply. So your Captain (or FO, I suppose, if you’re a CA on reserve) could get a nice 50% bump for something and you get… nothing.
there’s a reason there are so many unfilled Captain positions. Nobody wants to upgrade until they’re sure they can hold a line as Captain.
we also have global reserve for fleets that are designated global (basically international, outside of the Americas, to keep it simple). This gives you a handful of hard days off, but also other days off which can be changed by scheduling. Yup.
scheduling can assign short calls and field standbys at a whim and there’s nothing really keeping them from doing it. You barely get compensated if they do it.
reserves can pickup trips that are silo or silo -1, so if you’re on a 5 day reserve block, you can grab a 5 or 4 day trip. This is seniority based, or whoever is quicker, if nobody grabbed it.
our reserve pool is based on days of reserve left and FIFO (first in first out). with the aggressive pickup and the short calls and field standbys that just magically appear on the schedule at whatever time, it’s really hard to tell if you’re going to be next up or not.
if you get back from a trip with a day of reserve left, good luck getting out of that one without some assignment.
if you’re on a trip, they say you’re treated like a line holder, but that’s just for rest, really. Any reassignment pay, etc, doesn’t apply. So your Captain (or FO, I suppose, if you’re a CA on reserve) could get a nice 50% bump for something and you get… nothing.
there’s a reason there are so many unfilled Captain positions. Nobody wants to upgrade until they’re sure they can hold a line as Captain.
08-27-2022, 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by FlewNavy
You also forgot about "rolling short calls". Example - you start a short call at 2100 and the company releases you at 0100 to rest for another short call starting 10hrs later. Annoying if you live in base but as a commuter it forces you to "live" in a crash pad.
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