Current QOL at UA
10-05-2022 | 06:32 PM
#41
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Idk what you're talking about. At my ULCC I could drop and swap numerous pairings to other days. At UAL, I'm stuck only being able to trade into the same trip footprint as most days are normally red. I've talked to numerous of my friends that have come from the same ULCC to UAL and everyone is just as mad as I am about it. Can someone explain to me why when there are 0 open pairings and 18 reserves, why is the min reserves 23+ and the day red? Also there is very little open time in my very junior base on a NB. Over the next 4 days, there are 3 pairings, 2 of them having 5 AM shows at a satellite base. Maybe if you set up notifications and watch open time like a hawk you can see immediately when someone calls in sick and the trip is dropped into OT and can swap, if the days match up. It seems to me you might need to lay off the koolaid a bit.
EDIT: Want to add that I bid low 40% in my base as well and still can't do much in terms of drops or swaps.
EDIT: Want to add that I bid low 40% in my base as well and still can't do much in terms of drops or swaps.
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10-05-2022 | 06:36 PM
#43
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Idk what you're talking about. At my ULCC I could drop and swap numerous pairings to other days. At UAL, I'm stuck only being able to trade into the same trip footprint as most days are normally red. I've talked to numerous of my friends that have come from the same ULCC to UAL and everyone is just as mad as I am about it. Can someone explain to me why when there are 0 open pairings and 18 reserves, why is the min reserves 23+ and the day red? Also there is very little open time in my very junior base on a NB. Over the next 4 days, there are 3 pairings, 2 of them having 5 AM shows at a satellite base. Maybe if you set up notifications and watch open time like a hawk you can see immediately when someone calls in sick and the trip is dropped into OT and can swap, if the days match up. It seems to me you might need to lay off the koolaid a bit.
EDIT: Want to add that I bid low 40% in my base as well and still can't do much in terms of drops or swaps.
EDIT: Want to add that I bid low 40% in my base as well and still can't do much in terms of drops or swaps.
10-05-2022 | 10:46 PM
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I came from a LCC and trading/dropping flexibility United is almost non-existent compared to my old airline. Something that kind of surprised me, is that trip trading here is all seniority based. There is no first come first serve trading. There's almost no ability to pick or trade for good trips unless you have decent seniority to begin with. I have no regrets about coming here because the diversity of flying makes for the shortcomings but United work rules are simply bad... on top of that our new TA actually makes it even worse.
Just out of curiosity did you have criteria trades there? Not sure how you’d be able to do that without seniority based trading.
10-06-2022 | 02:54 AM
#45
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Few days after the awarded schedules were final seniority base trading opened for a day or two. You could trade or drop anything you wanted as long as the days were in the green. If the days were red you could still swap trips as long as the trip or trips (ex. 3 day and a 1 day for a 4 day) covered the same days of the original trip. When the seniority trade window closed, everything after that was first come first serve at that point. If something popped up in open time the fasted guy got the trip. I routinely ended up dropping most of my trips by waiting for the days to turn green throughout the month. The trades and drops were instatenious, no waiting like at United.
10-06-2022 | 03:18 AM
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Few days after the awarded schedules were final seniority base trading opened for a day or two. You could trade or drop anything you wanted as long as the days were in the green. If the days were red you could still swap trips as long as the trip or trips (ex. 3 day and a 1 day for a 4 day) covered the same days of the original trip. When the seniority trade window closed, everything after that was first come first serve at that point. If something popped up in open time the fasted guy got the trip. I routinely ended up dropping most of my trips by waiting for the days to turn green throughout the month. The trades and drops were instatenious, no waiting like at United.
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10-07-2022 | 03:41 PM
#47
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Idk what you're talking about. At my ULCC I could drop and swap numerous pairings to other days. At UAL, I'm stuck only being able to trade into the same trip footprint as most days are normally red. I've talked to numerous of my friends that have come from the same ULCC to UAL and everyone is just as mad as I am about it. Can someone explain to me why when there are 0 open pairings and 18 reserves, why is the min reserves 23+ and the day red? Also there is very little open time in my very junior base on a NB. Over the next 4 days, there are 3 pairings, 2 of them having 5 AM shows at a satellite base. Maybe if you set up notifications and watch open time like a hawk you can see immediately when someone calls in sick and the trip is dropped into OT and can swap, if the days match up. It seems to me you might need to lay off the koolaid a bit.
EDIT: Want to add that I bid low 40% in my base as well and still can't do much in terms of drops or swaps.
EDIT: Want to add that I bid low 40% in my base as well and still can't do much in terms of drops or swaps.
10-08-2022 | 09:02 AM
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This is exactly what I'm curious of and what I'm most afraid of about re: making the jump to UAL. The drop/swap/trade rules at my LCC are similar to what you describe. My primary goal is this kind of QOL so that I can rearrange my schedule as necessary to spend time with my family especially as my soon to be first born shows up. From what I'm seeing here, it sounds like the ULCC's may offer superior flexibility in terms of being able to completely rearrange your schedule outside of the footprint of your bid award. Is it correct to say that you can only trade into trips which match your original award's footprint? If so that's not necessarily the kind of "flexible" I'm hoping for if I'm trying to trade into a weekday tip in order to get out of a weekend trip for example or vice versa (this is relatively easy to do at my current airline).
This post needs to go to United Management and UALPA. I’m glad to hear your LCC is so employee friendly. United and UALPA should be ashamed.
10-08-2022 | 09:42 AM
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This is exactly what I'm curious of and what I'm most afraid of about re: making the jump to UAL. The drop/swap/trade rules at my LCC are similar to what you describe. My primary goal is this kind of QOL so that I can rearrange my schedule as necessary to spend time with my family especially as my soon to be first born shows up. From what I'm seeing here, it sounds like the ULCC's may offer superior flexibility in terms of being able to completely rearrange your schedule outside of the footprint of your bid award. Is it correct to say that you can only trade into trips which match your original award's footprint? If so that's not necessarily the kind of "flexible" I'm hoping for if I'm trying to trade into a weekday tip in order to get out of a weekend trip for example or vice versa (this is relatively easy to do at my current airline).
Short answer: Yes you can, you can also go from a 4 day all the way down to a 1 day if you actually learn the system. I am a very junior line holder and was able to go from 14 days off to 18 last month.
United also has a Red/Green grid we call it our pool display. However we do not have a mandatory 75% set to green each month. The company can change min reserve levels to whatever they want and make weekends nearly unlikely to get off after initial award, however not impossible. If you have a 4 day trip that has -2 days across every day of that trip you can trade into a lesser day trip that is over any days that have worse coverage. For this example I can trade a 4 day that has a total of -12 for a 3 day that has a total of -13 over the duration of trip. You can also do a combination of trips to equal your 4 day. So a 3 day and a 1 day, and so on. It is merely the same that I remember that spirit did except the company is not restricted to making the whole grid red.
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10-08-2022 | 09:46 AM
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It’s definitely time to fix the pay scales to a two tiered system like UPS….
If you are a captain you get captain pay regardless of equipment. That will fix the infilled captain vacancy problem. The NB captain QOL will always be an issue compared to the Cushy WB captain QOL …. Need far less Pilot instructors and LCAs.
This will save tons of training events for upcoming retirements and ultimately lead to better profits and ultimately way better profit sharing.
If you are a captain you get captain pay regardless of equipment. That will fix the infilled captain vacancy problem. The NB captain QOL will always be an issue compared to the Cushy WB captain QOL …. Need far less Pilot instructors and LCAs.
This will save tons of training events for upcoming retirements and ultimately lead to better profits and ultimately way better profit sharing.
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