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RomeoHotel 10-22-2022 11:32 AM

I’m curious as to what data they are lacking. The flight schedule out of MCO and TPA combined with theoretical pairings constructed out of each seems rather simple.
The cost associated with office space and moving pilots seems more relevant. My guess is that the research has long since been completed and this is the posturing that is required with the SSC prior to announcement.

The company says they want a mid continent 777 base in ORD or DEN and a 737 base in Florida… and they want it fully operated by summer of 23.

TFAYD 10-22-2022 02:59 PM


Originally Posted by RomeoHotel (Post 3518033)
I’m curious as to what data they are lacking. The flight schedule out of MCO and TPA combined with theoretical pairings constructed out of each seems rather simple.
The cost associated with office space and moving pilots seems more relevant. My guess is that the research has long since been completed and this is the posturing that is required with the SSC prior to announcement.

The company says they want a mid continent 777 base in ORD or DEN and a 737 base in Florida… and they want it fully operated by summer of 23.

they want to see what impact a new base has on schedules in other bases. Pairing construction is everything but straight forward and adding MCO/TPA into the mix may jack up pairing quality in EWR, IAD or ORD - or anywhere else for that matter as they strive for a optimal global pairing solution.

hamsandwich 10-22-2022 04:28 PM

Den 777 is interesting. I assume it would most do Hawaii?

worstpilotever 10-22-2022 04:32 PM


Originally Posted by hamsandwich (Post 3518141)
Den 777 is interesting. I assume it would most do Hawaii?

Well, that and El Paso. Take that southwest.

Mitch Rapp 10-22-2022 05:04 PM


Originally Posted by hamsandwich (Post 3518141)
Den 777 is interesting. I assume it would most do Hawaii?

How would that affect IAH? I don’t understand Kirby’s obsession with DEN.

nene 10-22-2022 06:42 PM


Originally Posted by TFAYD (Post 3518109)
they want to see what impact a new base has on schedules in other bases. Pairing construction is everything but straight forward and adding MCO/TPA into the mix may jack up pairing quality in EWR, IAD or ORD - or anywhere else for that matter as they strive for a optimal global pairing solution.

Why stop at MCO/TPA, make it a MCO/TPA/FLL/MIA base.

A rumored UAL FL base coming to fruition....it really is the end of times.

RomeoHotel 10-22-2022 09:04 PM


Originally Posted by TFAYD (Post 3518109)
they want to see what impact a new base has on schedules in other bases. Pairing construction is everything but straight forward and adding MCO/TPA into the mix may jack up pairing quality in EWR, IAD or ORD - or anywhere else for that matter as they strive for a optimal global pairing solution.


it’s the same flying…

a trip that starts in in EWR and overnights (or passes through) TPA and ends in EWR is the same flying as

a trip that starts in TPA and overnights
(or passes through) EWR and ends in TPA

so yeah in that case EWR lost a trip and TPA gained one

Also I never realized anyone was striving for an optimal global pairing solution..it just seems like random crap with 3 hour sits in assorted airports throughout the country… or out of the country (CUN)

TFAYD 10-23-2022 06:56 AM


Originally Posted by RomeoHotel (Post 3518229)
it’s the same flying…

a trip that starts in in EWR and overnights (or passes through) TPA and ends in EWR is the same flying as

a trip that starts in TPA and overnights
(or passes through) EWR and ends in TPA

so yeah in that case EWR lost a trip and TPA gained one

Also I never realized anyone was striving for an optimal global pairing solution..it just seems like random crap with 3 hour sits in assorted airports throughout the country… or out of the country (CUN)

it’s not that simple. Taking a few EWR -TPA trip way can change the overall solution quite a bit - specifically the 3 and 4 day trips.

BlueScholar 10-23-2022 07:51 AM


Originally Posted by Mitch Rapp (Post 3518153)
How would that affect IAH? I don’t understand Kirby’s obsession with DEN.

Denver is our most profitable hub, so of course the CEO is going to be obsessed with the golden goose.

Otterbox 10-23-2022 08:01 AM


Originally Posted by RomeoHotel (Post 3518033)
I’m curious as to what data they are lacking. The flight schedule out of MCO and TPA combined with theoretical pairings constructed out of each seems rather simple.
The cost associated with office space and moving pilots seems more relevant. My guess is that the research has long since been completed and this is the posturing that is required with the SSC prior to announcement.

The company says they want a mid continent 777 base in ORD or DEN and a 737 base in Florida… and they want it fully operated by summer of 23.

Union support…

UAL had a plan for a TPA/MCO base 5-6 years ago but the UAL ALPA leadership pushed back against it because of the fear that opening of a FL base would take flying/bodies away from EWR which was deemed critical for votes in the National elections.


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