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gollum 11-17-2022 05:40 PM


Originally Posted by deraa (Post 3533499)
Will the opening of a new base cause a system wide bid? Meaning, seat locks lifted (IE group 3 to group 1 without observing 2 years) Thought I read something about that in the contract.

Only for the new BES’s. you would be Able to bid any position in any of the new bases regardless of any freeze. The freeze would still be in effect for any current BES.

deraa 11-17-2022 05:41 PM


Originally Posted by gollum (Post 3533721)
Only for the new BES’s

the what?

filler

Brickfire 11-17-2022 05:44 PM


Originally Posted by deraa (Post 3533722)
the what?

filler

Base
Equipment
Seat

Seat lock is lifted to bid into something that didn’t exist before

cal73 11-17-2022 06:11 PM

Believe we refer to them as categories now.

hummingbear 11-17-2022 07:24 PM

Point is, you have to be awarded the new category/BES, etc. to get out of your lock. The existence of it alone does not free you from your seat lock. You can, however bid into the new category, then lateral out.

Ex: New hire is awarded SFO 777 FO in training. MCO base opens & said new hire bids & is awarded MCO 737 FO. The following vacancy, the same new hire lateral bids to ORD 737 FO. The end result is a transition (SFO 777 FO > ORD 737 FO) which would not have been possible under his present seat lock; although it requires “passing through” the new BES.

LifeNtheFstLne 11-18-2022 11:37 AM

I’ll go with MCO on 12/1 for $1.

Brickfire 11-18-2022 11:53 AM


Originally Posted by hummingbear (Post 3533796)
Point is, you have to be awarded the new category/BES, etc. to get out of your lock. The existence of it alone does not free you from your seat lock. You can, however bid into the new category, then lateral out.
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If you bid new bes but can’t hold it does the unlock opportunity persist in future bids or only the opening bid?

hummingbear 11-18-2022 12:11 PM


Originally Posted by Brickfire (Post 3534111)
If you bid new bes but can’t hold it does the unlock opportunity persist in future bids or only the opening bid?

The category is considered “new” for all vacancies with advertised effective dates within 6 months of the original vacancy. The lock release applies to any such vacancies; though the company is under no obligations to time vacancies under that consideration.

texaspropguy 11-18-2022 12:38 PM


Originally Posted by Mitch Rapp (Post 3527108)
Correct. You lowly “guppy” drivers should have to wear a different uniform and maybe even one less stripe. Or maybe we should get an extra stripe. Carry on

🫣😁

Change the WB stripes to have two black stripes between every gold one.

FriendlyPilot 11-18-2022 02:01 PM


Originally Posted by cal73 (Post 3533747)
Believe we refer to them as categories now.

They have been called categories for about 10 years. Some CAL pilots still call them BES because thats what they were called at CAL. I always wondered why they were called BES at CAL, despite CCS showing them as Base, Equipment and Position. Why not call them BEP? In any case, they are Categories now.


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