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11-03-2022 | 05:31 AM
#11
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I hope you realize that if you are on 4+ year captain pay at a regional, you'll make more money staying there than you will moving to United as a 737 FO until you upgrade. Look at the numbers. And there are many, many people who got stuck in the right seat for 10-15 years before they could upgrade.
Not many realize that regional (non-DEC) captains make more than their peers who are NB mainline FO's right now. (By peers, I mean two people who started flying for the regionals at the same time, one stayed and the other jumped to United).
Not many realize that regional (non-DEC) captains make more than their peers who are NB mainline FO's right now. (By peers, I mean two people who started flying for the regionals at the same time, one stayed and the other jumped to United).
Unless they are 63ish and considering making the switch
11-03-2022 | 07:09 AM
#12
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I hope you realize that if you are on 4+ year captain pay at a regional, you'll make more money staying there than you will moving to United as a 737 FO until you upgrade. Look at the numbers. And there are many, many people who got stuck in the right seat for 10-15 years before they could upgrade.
Not many realize that regional (non-DEC) captains make more than their peers who are NB mainline FO's right now. (By peers, I mean two people who started flying for the regionals at the same time, one stayed and the other jumped to United).
Not many realize that regional (non-DEC) captains make more than their peers who are NB mainline FO's right now. (By peers, I mean two people who started flying for the regionals at the same time, one stayed and the other jumped to United).
Assuming no upgrade here are the 5 year numbers:
Major FO - 642k + 103k retirement = 745k
CA Regional (year 4- 8) 751k + 46.7k = 797.7k
* Retirement for regional is the companies 5% contribution (years 4 and 5) and after year 5 the added 2% direct contribution added to the regular 5% matching. This is the Horizon & Skywest contract and I also believe AA's wholly owned.
Totals at Year 6
Major FO 796k - 127.4k = 923.4k
Regional CA 913k - 58k = 971k
Last edited by TyWebb; 11-03-2022 at 07:39 AM.
11-03-2022 | 07:39 AM
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Assuming no upgrade here are the 5 year numbers:
Major FO - 642k + 103k retirement = 745k
CA Regional (year 4- 8) 751k + 46.7k = 797.7k
* Retirement for regional is the companies 5% contribution (years 4 and 5) and after year 5 the added 2% direct contribution added to the regular 5% matching. This is the Horizon contract and the American wholly owned.
Totals at Year 6
Major FO 796k - 127.4k = 923.4k
Regional CA 913k - 58k = 971k
Major FO - 642k + 103k retirement = 745k
CA Regional (year 4- 8) 751k + 46.7k = 797.7k
* Retirement for regional is the companies 5% contribution (years 4 and 5) and after year 5 the added 2% direct contribution added to the regular 5% matching. This is the Horizon contract and the American wholly owned.
Totals at Year 6
Major FO 796k - 127.4k = 923.4k
Regional CA 913k - 58k = 971k
11-03-2022 | 07:56 AM
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Buck Rogers
I will go back and use the numbers from the AK contract to paint a more competitive picture. And obviously the regional rates way more capped than what your going to get at the majors. Once one upgrades at a major the numbers aren't even close but again, how long does upgrade take can vary so much that this was just a 6 year head to head NB FO vs regional CA with basic payrate + retirement.
I have the other view in a time of recession and think the model used during covid may play out more - Use the 76 seaters more, park the NB's and pay those junior FO's/CA's to sit at the house at a reduced rate. But I wouldn't bet a dime on that theory and I'd think it would be based on how much the government aids the airlines, if any this time around.
I will go back and use the numbers from the AK contract to paint a more competitive picture. And obviously the regional rates way more capped than what your going to get at the majors. Once one upgrades at a major the numbers aren't even close but again, how long does upgrade take can vary so much that this was just a 6 year head to head NB FO vs regional CA with basic payrate + retirement.
I have the other view in a time of recession and think the model used during covid may play out more - Use the 76 seaters more, park the NB's and pay those junior FO's/CA's to sit at the house at a reduced rate. But I wouldn't bet a dime on that theory and I'd think it would be based on how much the government aids the airlines, if any this time around.
11-03-2022 | 09:20 AM
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Assuming no upgrade here are the 5 year numbers:
Major FO - 642k + 103k retirement = 745k
CA Regional (year 4- 8) 751k + 46.7k = 797.7k
* Retirement for regional is the companies 5% contribution (years 4 and 5) and after year 5 the added 2% direct contribution added to the regular 5% matching. This is the Horizon & Skywest contract and I also believe AA's wholly owned.
Totals at Year 6
Major FO 796k - 127.4k = 923.4k
Regional CA 913k - 58k = 971k
Major FO - 642k + 103k retirement = 745k
CA Regional (year 4- 8) 751k + 46.7k = 797.7k
* Retirement for regional is the companies 5% contribution (years 4 and 5) and after year 5 the added 2% direct contribution added to the regular 5% matching. This is the Horizon & Skywest contract and I also believe AA's wholly owned.
Totals at Year 6
Major FO 796k - 127.4k = 923.4k
Regional CA 913k - 58k = 971k
11-03-2022 | 09:26 AM
#16
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NB FO (73 credits
5 years based off AK new contract
87.6k / 14k
140.1k / 22.4k
163k / 26.1k
169k / 27k
176k / 28k
735.7k + 117.5k
CA Regional (year 4- 8) 751k + 46.7k
6 year totals =
NB FO 181k/29k for total of 916.7k / retirement 146.5k
Regional CA 913k / 58k
5 years based off AK new contract
87.6k / 14k
140.1k / 22.4k
163k / 26.1k
169k / 27k
176k / 28k
735.7k + 117.5k
CA Regional (year 4- 8) 751k + 46.7k
6 year totals =
NB FO 181k/29k for total of 916.7k / retirement 146.5k
Regional CA 913k / 58k
Last edited by TyWebb; 11-03-2022 at 09:38 AM.
11-03-2022 | 11:25 AM
#17
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I just finished my first year on the 777 in SFO, all on reserve and I logged 357 hours. As far as APUing trips it depends. If you like 2 day red eyes to EWR with a 11 hour day sleep those are typically readily available. Good luck picking up anything to Europe or SYD - AKL. Those do not sit in open time for very long and the list of pilots that desire those trips is quite extensive most of the time.
11-03-2022 | 06:44 PM
#18
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Buck Rogers
I will go back and use the numbers from the AK contract to paint a more competitive picture. And obviously the regional rates way more capped than what your going to get at the majors. Once one upgrades at a major the numbers aren't even close but again, how long does upgrade take can vary so much that this was just a 6 year head to head NB FO vs regional CA with basic payrate + retirement.
I have the other view in a time of recession and think the model used during covid may play out more - Use the 76 seaters more, park the NB's and pay those junior FO's/CA's to sit at the house at a reduced rate. But I wouldn't bet a dime on that theory and I'd think it would be based on how much the government aids the airlines, if any this time around.
I will go back and use the numbers from the AK contract to paint a more competitive picture. And obviously the regional rates way more capped than what your going to get at the majors. Once one upgrades at a major the numbers aren't even close but again, how long does upgrade take can vary so much that this was just a 6 year head to head NB FO vs regional CA with basic payrate + retirement.
I have the other view in a time of recession and think the model used during covid may play out more - Use the 76 seaters more, park the NB's and pay those junior FO's/CA's to sit at the house at a reduced rate. But I wouldn't bet a dime on that theory and I'd think it would be based on how much the government aids the airlines, if any this time around.
Ok. So what is the public ideas on a mid forty’s 6th year FO at AK that could probably hold a junior CA spot? Stay put, or jump to UA? Said pilot no longer wants to live in any AK base. But would likely move to a commute at UA.
11-03-2022 | 07:35 PM
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11-04-2022 | 04:51 AM
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I just finished my first year on the 777 in SFO, all on reserve and I logged 357 hours. As far as APUing trips it depends. If you like 2 day red eyes to EWR with a 11 hour day sleep those are typically readily available. Good luck picking up anything to Europe or SYD - AKL. Those do not sit in open time for very long and the list of pilots that desire those trips is quite extensive most of the time.
Are you a commuter or Living in base .
On an average can you say how many days off did you get and in blocks off?
Thanks in advance.
Dimps.
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