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ninerdriver 02-07-2023 04:25 PM


Originally Posted by Vernon Demerest (Post 3588065)
Or you could just request that pairing directly with an award statement of Award D3427 High High?

If you have 20 or 30 pairings that you really like, then that's a lot of award statements. That's also limits what you can do with the rest of your bid, since we're limited to 50 lines per bid. Plus, it takes like 15 minutes per bid card to actually get Carmen to accept all of that.

Here's how we'd do it in Adopt:
+5 pts layover in A.
+5 pts layover in B.
Layover in A and B scores 10 points and wins.
But not over the weekend, so minus 50 points for trips touching Saturdays or Sundays.
And don't forget adding a couple points to trips owned by LCAs.

There were even H/M/L options for folks who didn't understand and/or couldn't be bothered with the above.

WAIT. Those pesky ex-regional pilots are trying to improve QOL for everyone again! Someone stop them. (that's not aimed at you, Vernon)

Mitch Rapp 02-07-2023 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Sniper66 (Post 3588046)
10.5 B cost to UAL ( many improvements not only pay rates)
4 years CBA

18/ 5/5/5%
2023/24/25/26
retro
14/5/5/18%
2019/20/21/22 and partial of 2023

Do you remember the total cost of the Delta TA?

horrido27 02-07-2023 05:19 PM


Originally Posted by Mitch Rapp (Post 3588108)
Do you remember the total cost of the Delta TA?

7.2 Billion..
But keep in mind, there are things in their PWA (Contract) that we might already have.. and others that they have and we need to cost in.
I expect that we will be North of their number. How far north, guess we will know in 2 months. If it's what is being posted here, impressive.
That would be a 25% gain.

Time will tell
Motch

Hedley 02-07-2023 05:26 PM


Originally Posted by horrido27 (Post 3588117)
7.2 Billion..
But keep in mind, there are things in their PWA (Contract) that we might already have.. and others that they have and we need to cost in.
I expect that we will be North of their number. How far north, guess we will know in 2 months. If it's what is being posted here, impressive.
That would be a 25% gain.

Time will tell
Motch

I wonder if the next TA will come with a suitcase that I can sell on eBay. That would add value to the agreement.

horrido27 02-07-2023 05:37 PM


Originally Posted by Hedley (Post 3588124)
I wonder if the next TA will come with a suitcase that I can sell on eBay. That would add value to the agreement.

I'm expecting a Unicorn.. like AxlF16 mentioned!
Just got to figure out what color.. so when it rips the soft top of my convertible with it's horn, it doesn't clash~
And yes, the car will be "off"

Motch

ThumbsUp 02-07-2023 05:44 PM


Originally Posted by ninerdriver (Post 3588088)
If you have 20 or 30 pairings that you really like, then that's a lot of award statements. That's also limits what you can do with the rest of your bid, since we're limited to 50 lines per bid. Plus, it takes like 15 minutes per bid card to actually get Carmen to accept all of that.

Here's how we'd do it in Adopt:
+5 pts layover in A.
+5 pts layover in B.
Layover in A and B scores 10 points and wins.
But not over the weekend, so minus 50 points for trips touching Saturdays or Sundays.
And don't forget adding a couple points to trips owned by LCAs.

There were even H/M/L options for folks who didn't understand and/or couldn't be bothered with the above.

WAIT. Those pesky ex-regional pilots are trying to improve QOL for everyone again! Someone stop them. (that's not aimed at you, Vernon)

Award CMB lines help with whittling down the number of bid lines you need to get the same flavor of trips. You may not be able to specify a trip with two different layovers, but you typically can find a commonality amongst other criteria between the trips to isolate them in a different way. What you describe above can likely be done on 3 lines with two awards in different buckets and one avoid in between.
Award CMB L - -
Avoid weekends
Award CMB (same as above) H + +

Mitch Rapp 02-07-2023 08:06 PM


Originally Posted by horrido27 (Post 3588117)
7.2 Billion..
But keep in mind, there are things in their PWA (Contract) that we might already have.. and others that they have and we need to cost in.
I expect that we will be North of their number. How far north, guess we will know in 2 months. If it's what is being posted here, impressive.
That would be a 25% gain.

Time will tell
Motch

Thanks Motch. Agree. IF true, it sounds like the MEC has definitely gotten the message. That’s the type of proposal I expected in the first place.

hummingbear 02-08-2023 03:07 AM


Originally Posted by Sniper66 (Post 3588046)
10.5 B cost to UAL ( many improvements not only pay rates)
4 years CBA

18/ 5/5/5%
2023/24/25/26
retro
14/5/5/18%
2019/20/21/22 and partial of 2023

Based on the TUMI 1 rumors I’m already lowering my expectations by 70%.

Sunvox 02-08-2023 04:51 AM


Originally Posted by Sniper66 (Post 3588046)
10.5 B cost to UAL ( many improvements not only pay rates)
4 years CBA

18/ 5/5/5%
2023/24/25/26
retro
14/5/5/18%
2019/20/21/22 and partial of 2023

Wish you could share where this is coming from, but it looks to me like our ask rather than the company offer. Either way it certainly is an interesting time in which we live. Completely opposite of 2001-2010. Crazy industry. Crazy.

EDIT: just for giggles I went on to my Social Security page and looked up my pay for the Lost Decade - went from $140k in 2002 to $84k in 2005 (I was a 756 FO that whole time) - of course there were some here on furlough so their example of this industry's vagaries would be even more extreme - point is - we've come a LONG way from the bottom - at least pay wise . . .

Hedley 02-08-2023 05:52 AM


Originally Posted by Sunvox (Post 3588317)

EDIT: just for giggles I went on to my Social Security page and looked up my pay for the Lost Decade - went from $140k in 2002 to $84k in 2005 (I was a 756 FO that whole time) - of course there were some here on furlough so their example of this industry's vagaries would be even more extreme - point is - we've come a LONG way from the bottom - at least pay wise . . .

Even more amazing is how much this industry has changed in the last few years. We went from revenue being down 85% and hemorrhaging $20+ Million per day to an environment where we have dropped the degree requirement and dramatically lowered the experience level of our new hires. From surviving off of government cheese to record hiring and a world where a regional FO with 1,500 turbine, no PIC, and no degree is considered competitive.


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