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LJ Driver 01-17-2023 04:43 PM

I feel like it doesn’t matter what happens, people on here will ***** about literally everything…

Beating both top and bottom line estimates is a huge deal. It is an enormous help to our negotiations, which have recently come to a screeching halt because the DAL AIP would have further embarrassed our negotiating committee. Thank goodness the company didn’t accept whatever garbage offer was on the table prior, had they accepted we would have taken another 6 months to unfu*k that situation.

Listen to the CNBC interview, the last couple minutes he is asked specifically about the pilot contract, he implies (again) that Delta has done the heavy lifting and ours should be done soon, after the pilots finish their recalls and get another MEC Chairman in place. He’s absolutely and discreetly calling us out, He knows what’s going on in our union, and is probably as embarrassed about it as most of us are.

Like it or not, when United does well, we all do well. A new contract and then United Next will progress in growing our airline. I think SK knows this and is on board with it.

yellowNEO 01-30-2023 10:51 AM

JetBlue just ratified their JCBA and they now pay more than United compensates their pilots -- with mostly better work rules and soft pay. What's going on, NC?

dailyops 01-30-2023 11:05 AM


Originally Posted by yellowNEO (Post 3582302)
JetBlue just ratified their JCBA and they now pay more than United compensates their pilots -- with mostly better work rules and soft pay. What's going on, NC?

But we are a global airline so we need horrible work rules and QOL to keep the company's scheduling integrity. Don't be selfish.

ThumbsUp 01-30-2023 11:07 AM


Originally Posted by yellowNEO (Post 3582302)
JetBlue just ratified their JCBA and they now pay more than United compensates their pilots -- with mostly better work rules and soft pay. What's going on, NC?


What’s an example of the better work rules that aren’t reserve?

AMC190 01-30-2023 11:15 AM


Originally Posted by ThumbsUp (Post 3582315)
What’s an example of the better work rules that aren’t reserve?

You can trade reserve days via a computerized system “flica” as much as you want! Not relying on a single day and dealing with a rude scheduler!

ThumbsUp 01-30-2023 12:44 PM


Originally Posted by AMC190 (Post 3582325)
You can trade reserve days via a computerized system “flica” as much as you want! Not relying on a single day and dealing with a rude scheduler!


How is that not reserve?

WaterRooster 01-30-2023 02:01 PM


Originally Posted by yellowNEO (Post 3582302)
JetBlue just ratified their JCBA and they now pay more than United compensates their pilots -- with mostly better work rules and soft pay. What's going on, NC?

Its almost like they sent something to everyone's email that said they are waiting for Delta to get ratified.....

popNfresh 01-30-2023 07:57 PM


Originally Posted by WaterRooster (Post 3582431)
Its almost like they sent something to everyone's email that said they are waiting for Delta to get ratified.....

I see what you did there!

LJ Driver 01-31-2023 08:44 AM

Jason Depew is a smart pilot over at Delta, I’ve been following his journey for years. He has a book out and is active on LinkedIn but his website has a few great nuggets we should all be knowledgeable about.

This article outlines how important qol improvements are to both gaining actual quality AND increasing our pay without rates but soft time additions.

https://pilotmathtreasurebath.com/2023/01/30/pay-quality-of-life-why-pick-just-one/amp/

Highly recommend looking it over, and passing it along to LEC/MEC reps. I particularly like the last section on ALPA, and how there is an undercurrent at the union to NOT improve rates too much because that would blow up their pattern bargaining process. Instead, soft pay and qol are the ways to leap frog pay into much higher levels.

uafurlough 01-31-2023 09:07 AM

LJdriver,
Thanks for sharing that link.. Good perspective.


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