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Buck Rogers 01-31-2023 09:09 AM


Originally Posted by LJ Driver (Post 3583024)
Jason Depew is a smart pilot over at Delta, I’ve been following his journey for years. He has a book out and is active on LinkedIn but his website has a few great nuggets we should all be knowledgeable about.

This article outlines how important qol improvements are to both gaining actual quality AND increasing our pay without rates but soft time additions.

https://pilotmathtreasurebath.com/2023/01/30/pay-quality-of-life-why-pick-just-one/amp/

Highly recommend looking it over, and passing it along to LEC/MEC reps. I particularly like the last section on ALPA, and how there is an undercurrent at the union to NOT improve rates too much because that would blow up their pattern bargaining process. Instead, soft pay and qol are the ways to leap frog pay into much higher levels.

Sorry (sort of) to spam this, but from another thread....getting DC on your profit sharing(like Delta has) should be an easy get. In good years it has added another 4% to the Delta EOY W-2

By end of Delta new contract, if approved, it will be 18% DC on pay AND PS

LJ Driver 01-31-2023 10:10 AM


Originally Posted by Buck Rogers (Post 3583050)
Sorry (sort of) to spam this, but from another thread....getting DC on your profit sharing(like Delta has) should be an easy get. In good years it has added another 4% to the Delta EOY W-2

By end of Delta new contract, if approved, it will be 18% DC on pay AND PS

Absolutely, pay rates should go way up, but all the non-pay rate ways to increase our EOY pay are literally just as important and could/should offer some big money.

TechTanker 01-31-2023 03:39 PM


Originally Posted by AMC190 (Post 3582325)
You can trade reserve days via a computerized system “flica” as much as you want! Not relying on a single day and dealing with a rude scheduler!

flica overall is a better bidding system than we have. Used it at a previous airline and could literally pick the trips I wanted to fly if my seniority could hold them. You dang near need a degree in computer science to understand our bidding software.

elmetal 02-01-2023 04:35 AM


Originally Posted by TechTanker (Post 3583323)
flica overall is a better bidding system than we have. Used it at a previous airline and could literally pick the trips I wanted to fly if my seniority could hold them. You dang near need a degree in computer science to understand our bidding software.

If we're talking about switching PBS bidding software (not vacation bidding or anything else which is what the OP was talking about), then Navblue wins hands down. Anyone who's used Navblue would undoubtedly agree.

Buck Rogers 02-01-2023 05:06 AM


Originally Posted by elmetal (Post 3583545)
If we're talking about switching PBS bidding software (not vacation bidding or anything else which is what the OP was talking about), then Navblue wins hands down. Anyone who's used Navblue would undoubtedly agree.

As a Delta guy, we use Naveblue. The amount of control afforded to craft a schedule by the pilot is only limited by how much time one wants to spend inputting your desires. This would be a huge QOL enhancement if you could achieve it.......equal to or greater than any other single QOL get that your NC can achieve.

dailyops 02-01-2023 05:50 AM


Originally Posted by elmetal (Post 3583545)
If we're talking about switching PBS bidding software (not vacation bidding or anything else which is what the OP was talking about), then Navblue wins hands down. Anyone who's used Navblue would undoubtedly agree.

And yet the latest SSC report says:

"After many years of SSC pursuit, including looking at every PBS vendor, and their programing and ability to optimize, the decision was made to develop our own new interface unlike anything that exists in the market today."

Phase 1 for this began February 2019....so 4 years later and we still have nothing to show for it (like our contract).

As for Flica, that's for trip trading and schedule changes mostly, not PBS bidding.

iahflyr 02-01-2023 05:58 AM


Originally Posted by Buck Rogers (Post 3583050)
getting DC on your profit sharing(like Delta has) should be an easy get.

That change would make no difference for us. At Delta, their profit sharing pot of money is calculated knowing that 16% DC is added on.

Let’s say we get a profit sharing pool of money equal to 7% of our wages. If we are getting 16% DC, we would just get a cash payout of 6% of our annual wages, and get 16% of that 6% of wages (~1% of annual wages) to our 401k. That’s still the same amount of money, except now 16% of it is forced into our 401k. I would rather get it as cash.

They would actually have to increase the value of the PS formula (which is a lot harder to do).

brycewk1 02-01-2023 06:27 AM


Originally Posted by iahflyr (Post 3583579)
That change would make no difference for us. At Delta, their profit sharing pot of money is calculated knowing that 16% DC is added on.

Let’s say we get a profit sharing pool of money equal to 7% of our wages. If we are getting 16% DC, we would just get a cash payout of 6% of our annual wages, and get 16% of that 6% of wages (~1% of annual wages) to our 401k. That’s still the same amount of money, except now 16% of it is forced into our 401k. I would rather get it as cash.

They would actually have to increase the value of the PS formula (which is a lot harder to do).

That is incorrect. Our (Delta) formula does not take into account the 16% DC prior to profit sharing distribution. It strictly applies our P/L formulas to calculate the profit sharing amounts after which the DC money is added.

Buck Rogers 02-01-2023 06:32 AM


Originally Posted by iahflyr (Post 3583579)
That change would make no difference for us. At Delta, their profit sharing pot of money is calculated knowing that 16% DC is added on.

Let’s say we get a profit sharing pool of money equal to 7% of our wages. If we are getting 16% DC, we would just get a cash payout of 6% of our annual wages, and get 16% of that 6% of wages (~1% of annual wages) to our 401k. That’s still the same amount of money, except now 16% of it is forced into our 401k. I would rather get it as cash.

They would actually have to increase the value of the PS formula (which is a lot harder to do).

You lost me! You say it would make no difference to UAL pilots.....then you acknowledge that DC on PS would amount to 1% but that's not $$$ to you because it goes into your 401? I can tell you that when I got DC on PS that was 15K(just the DC on PS)....I didn't really GAF if it went into my 401 or not...it was real money. No matter how you slice it or dice it ....it would be better than what you have now, which is nothing on PS!

T773ER 02-01-2023 07:05 AM


Originally Posted by iahflyr (Post 3583579)
That change would make no difference for us. At Delta, their profit sharing pot of money is calculated knowing that 16% DC is added on.

Let’s say we get a profit sharing pool of money equal to 7% of our wages. If we are getting 16% DC, we would just get a cash payout of 6% of our annual wages, and get 16% of that 6% of wages (~1% of annual wages) to our 401k. That’s still the same amount of money, except now 16% of it is forced into our 401k. I would rather get it as cash.

They would actually have to increase the value of the PS formula (which is a lot harder to do).

As a Delta guy, none of this is accurate and was disproved in another thread.


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